不打疫苗的往往也不会戴口罩
leilei 发表于 2021-08-02 11:47
对，这两个人群高度重合
不敢相信
竟然有人可以花费这么多的心思在研究如何可以不打疫苗
fmsunshine 发表于 2021-08-02 11:31
是啊，一般人顶多做做研究看看疫苗的安全性有效性怎么样，楼主为什么这么费劲心思花那么多时间在这个论坛上反疫苗呢？
另外前两天看到nature 一篇文章关于反疫苗组织的：
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01084-x
The United States hosts the world’s largest and best-organized anti-vaccine groups. According to the London-based Center for Countering Digital Hate, these are influential groups, not a spontaneous grass-roots movement.
不打疫苗的往往也不会戴口罩
leilei 发表于 2021-08-02 11:47
这个……我倒是听说了打了疫苗的戴口罩参加某活动，被质问你是不是没打疫苗，离我的孩子远点……
那些科学家们不知道流行病大流行的时候大规模打疫苗会逼着病毒变异吗？
whooooever 发表于 2021-08-02 11:44
这个问题逻辑好有意思啊：要是科学家们都不知道这件事情，你又是怎么知道的呢？病毒之所以难对付就是因为它会一直变异。为啥要批准疫苗紧急使用？就是希望在病毒变异到疫苗无效前让public都免疫。
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/09/965703047/vaccines-could-drive-the-evolution-of-more-covid-19-mutants
请别光看标题，看完整篇文章：
We''''re not going to fall off a cliff tomorrow in terms of vaccine efficacy. What we''''re likely to see is a slow, steady erosion of efficacy over, perhaps, quite a long period of time.
Bieniasz says, to slow this evolutionary process as much as possible, it''''s important to slow the spread of the virus right now so people who get vaccinated are at lower risk for getting infected in the first place.
第一个是可以用这个legal document，要求公司HR要签字，你才会打。HR肯定会怂。
NOTE TO EMPLOYER: As your employee, I am requesting that you review this document, provide the requisite information, and sign the form, in regards to your requirement that employees get a Covid- 19 emergency use authorization (EUA) investigational vaccine.
第二个是还可以找自己的家庭医生开medical exempt的证明信，VAERS数据库里面有这么多side effects，找一个可能跟自己相关的，比如说你本来血小板就低一点，打疫苗有额外出血风险，或者在准备怀孕等等，联系上VAERS数据库里面的data，让自己的家庭医生写了信，HR就没有办法了。
如果得过covid有抗体的jm们，还可以还可以加上这个新的paper
https://www.cell.com/cell-reports-medicine/fulltext/S2666-3791(21)00203-2
Longitudinal analysis shows durable and broad immune memory after SARS-CoV-2 infection with persisting antibody responses and memory B and T cells
Summary
Ending the COVID-19 pandemic will require long-lived immunity to SARS-CoV-2. Here, we evaluate 254 COVID-19 patients longitudinally up to 8 months and find durable broad-based immune responses. SARS-CoV-2 spike binding and neutralizing antibodies exhibit a bi-phasic decay with an extended half-life of >200 days suggesting the generation of longer-lived plasma cells. SARS-CoV-2 infection also boosts antibody titers to SARS-CoV-1 and common betacoronaviruses. In addition, spike-specific IgG+ memory B cells persist, which bodes well for a rapid antibody response upon virus re-exposure or vaccination. Virus-specific CD4+ and CD8+ T cells are polyfunctional and maintained with an estimated half-life of 200 days. Interestingly, CD4+ T cell responses equally target several SARS-CoV-2 proteins, whereas the CD8+ T cell responses preferentially target the nucleoprotein, highlighting the potential importance of including the nucleoprotein in future vaccines. Taken together, these results suggest that broad and effective immunity may persist long-term in recovered COVID-19 patients.
大家要抗争！坚持一下就是胜利。这个mandate的趋势很快就会扭转的。看以色列和英国的最新数据，形势已经越来越明朗了，很快他们就要编不下去了。
freys 发表于 2021-08-01 21:49
"第二个是还可以找自己的家庭医生开medical exempt的证明信，VAERS数据库里面有这么多side effects，找一个可能跟自己相关的，比如说你本来血小板就低一点，打疫苗有额外出血风险，或者在准备怀孕等等，联系上VAERS数据库里面的data，让自己的家庭医生写了信，HR就没有办法了。"
直接要医生开证明说自己是弱智， 行不行呀？
这个……我倒是听说了打了疫苗的戴口罩参加某活动，被质问你是不是没打疫苗，离我的孩子远点……
老友粉 发表于 2021-08-02 12:02
没办法 这个国家当前多数人口的教育水平决定了抗疫的后果
戴不戴口罩 打不打疫苗 都是殊途同归
"第二个是还可以找自己的家庭医生开medical exempt的证明信，VAERS数据库里面有这么多side effects，找一个可能跟自己相关的，比如说你本来血小板就低一点，打疫苗有额外出血风险，或者在准备怀孕等等，联系上VAERS数据库里面的data，让自己的家庭医生写了信，HR就没有办法了。"
直接要医生开证明说自己是弱智， 行不行呀？
shanggj 发表于 2021-08-02 12:16
不敢相信
竟然有人可以花费这么多的心思在研究如何可以不打疫苗
fmsunshine 发表于 2021-08-02 11:31
举个例子吧
当有人要强迫另一个人做不愿意做的事情的时候，难道是不挣扎反而乖乖躺下把腿张开吗？就算力气没有对方那么大，难道不大叫非礼救命，反而叫好爽再用力点吗？
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