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Huaren
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Durian

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大家看看我是不是说错话了?

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2006-06-13 17:59:00

偶这个暑假刚开始读MBA,其中有一堂要做GROUP PROJECT,是关于MARKETING STRATEGY的。我们组有六个人,其中一个女的很积极,每天都会发E-MAIL出主意,想办法及安排进度。从上个星期到今天,除了我以外,小组里其他人有点应付的意思,有时不回E-MAIL,有时就回一封意思一下,没有实质内容。

我读UNDERGRAD的时候其实跟这个女的差不多,一个GROUP的工作差不多是我一个人在做,因为其它组员多数无所谓最后PROJECT做得好不好,不过我做了以后不开心倒是真的。所以现在这个女的这样几乎把整个GROUP的活儿都揽在自己身上,我替她觉得累,也有点不高兴其他的组员不CONTRIBUTE。

加上这个女的天天催进度,我查E-MAIL又查得勤,每次读了她的E-MAIL以后又不好意思象其他人一样什么也不做,所以在她的带动下就要干活,虽然我干得跟她相比是少的,但是我仍然不喜欢一个GROUP里只有一,两个干活。

今天早上这个女的又提议先干点儿什么的时候,我就写了封E-MAIL给她,建议说我们先列个OUTLINE出来,然后分工合作,这样的话她就可以轻松一点了。但是不知道是我自己多事儿还是话说得不对,她好象理解成我不喜欢她COORDINATE我们GROUP了,下面是我跟她今天早上的E-MAIL交流,大家帮我看看她是不是生气我多嘴了?

今天我要去帮他们做PROJECT的CLIENT那里实地考察,两个小时的WORKSHOP,加上谈事儿跟路程花了五个小时。昨天上课的时候问今天谁有时间去,这个女儿前两天E-MAIL说去的,后来说工作忙去不了了,其它的组员没一个VOLUNTEER的。

她写给大家的:
 
Hi all,
 
Do you want me to do some competitor research today? Just want to make sure no one has covered this. . .
 
Thanks!
 
 
我回给她的:
 
I wouldn't have time to do so today.
 
Hopefully somebody else has time to cover it.
  
 
I guess it's better to decide on the outline of the project deliverable first and divide up the work to each group member.
 
Seems like you are doing a lot of work by yourself, unless you don't mind or are happy with it.
 
 
她的回信:
Okay, I'll sit tight until we come up with the outline.
 
我的回信:
 
I hope you didn't misunderstand me.
 
I sincerely admire your effort and enthusiasm, and it's the group's fortune to have a member who works as diligently as you do.
 
The only thing is that if I were you, I would like the group to have a plan so that everybody starts working on it instead of you working almost by yourself.
 
 
她的回信: 
I didn't misunderstand you. I just get carried away and get too controlling sometimes. I'll let the other members of the group start contributing more. I don't mind handling things, but also want others to feel involved and as if we're all on the same page. Are you back from the workshop or are you at the workshop?

 
我的回信:
Just came back from the workshop. I was at home when I e-mailed you last time.
 
I'm glad that you didn't misunderstand me. I felt sorry that you are doing the group's work almost by yourself alone. It benefits me and other group members, but I just felt I wouldn't like it if I were you.
 
I talked to Elaine and interviewed the event organizer from Brently school this afternoon. I will write up a summary on the interview and try to get it out tonight. Elaine said she will e-mail us a suggested outline for our project deliverable either tonight or later tomorrow. Hopefully it'll help us to get started.
 
Thanks again and talk to you soon.
 
到我发贴还没收到她的回信,不过她对于我的建议是怎么看的已经写出来了,只是偶搞不清楚到底有没有说错话。 谢谢大家帮我分析。
Huaren
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saynomore

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2006-06-13 18:37:00

一,你的心意是好的,不过表达的不太好.你的中文表达没有问题,但是很显然英文表达有些词不达意.

你写的"if I were you, blah blah",在她看来不是你替她叫委屈,而确实是你指责她做事没有计划,太bossy, pushy,不考虑他人意见.

二,或者你根本就不用表达你的这个意见.她可能很enjoy being a leader,或者想从中多学习东西,等等.你不知道她的motivation是什么.除非是特别好的朋友,你没必要替她出头.

如果真想表达你的心意,私下里跟她谈比较好,落在纸上的written statement,最好不要牵涉到有personal之嫌的东西.

最后,这没什么大不了的,只是一门课程而已.group dynamic往往很微妙,以后记得有这件事,多个心眼儿就是了.

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doudoujing

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2006-06-13 18:58:00

I bet you meant well, but the words like "if I were you" sounds kind of demanding.  Your suggestions may start with "thank you for your excellent work", or "I appreciate your sense of responsibility", followed by something like "everyone in the group is equally responsible for the project, ... maybe we can have a group meeting and let's see whether if they would like to contribute more than they did..."  Good luck with your communications.

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Durian

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2006-06-13 19:45:00

以下是引用saynomore在2006-6-13 18:37:00的发言:

一,你的心意是好的,不过表达的不太好.你的中文表达没有问题,但是很显然英文表达有些词不达意.

你写的"if I were you, blah blah",在她看来不是你替她叫委屈,而确实是你指责她做事没有计划,太bossy, pushy,不考虑他人意见.

二,或者你根本就不用表达你的这个意见.她可能很enjoy being a leader,或者想从中多学习东西,等等.你不知道她的motivation是什么.除非是特别好的朋友,你没必要替她出头.

如果真想表达你的心意,私下里跟她谈比较好,落在纸上的written statement,最好不要牵涉到有personal之嫌的东西.

最后,这没什么大不了的,只是一门课程而已.group dynamic往往很微妙,以后记得有这件事,多个心眼儿就是了.

第一条,我写E-MAIL的时候倒是没觉得IF I WERE YOU的表达不好,还觉着有点为她设想的意思呢。

第二条我后来也想到了。我这个人比较讲公平,所以以前不得不帮其他GROUP MEMBER做事的时候心里是不痛快的,不过她可以真的挺想多做点儿,多学点儿东西了。如果是这样的话,我有点以小心之心度君子之腹了。

还有,这种事情确实以后口头交流比较好,免得如果传出去了,不光她不高兴,其他组员肯定也会不高兴的。

唉,看起来象是我自己惹了一头包。

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Durian

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2006-06-13 19:53:00

以下是引用doudoujing在2006-6-13 18:58:00的发言:
I bet you meant well, but the words like "if I were you" sounds kind of demanding.  Your suggestions may start with "thank you for your excellent work", or "I appreciate your sense of responsibility", followed by something like "everyone in the group is equally responsible for the project, ... maybe we can have a group meeting and let's see whether if they would like to contribute more than they did..."  Good luck with your communications.

这位MM的建议很好,多谢了。

早上赶着出去,又想把自己想说的东西说出来,所以没有仔细斟酌字句就把E-MAIL发出去了。

希望她没有放在心上才好。

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musicbox

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2006-06-14 00:53:00

她写给大家的:
 
Hi all,
 
Do you want me to do some competitor research today? Just want to make sure no one has covered this. . .
 
Thanks!
 
 
我回给她的:
 
I wouldn't have time to do so today.
 
Hopefully somebody else has time to cover it.
  
 
I guess it's better to decide on the outline of the project deliverable first and divide up the work to each group member.
 
Seems like you are doing a lot of work by yourself, unless you don't mind or are happy with it.
 
 
她的回信:
Okay, I'll sit tight until we come up with the outline.
--------------------------
 
I don't see any major problems of your email up to here. Only this sentence is too direct "Seems like you are doing a lot of work by yourself, unless you don't mind or are happy with it."  From her email, I couldn't sense that she was uncomfortable with your proposal . Once she said she was okay, I would stop responding to her email about how she felt about taking more tasks in the project.
What I would concentrate in following communications is how to develop the outline of project deliverables. Of course, let her know my appreciation to her efforts too.

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-6-14 0:53:54编辑过]

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lavendar

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2006-06-14 06:23:00

durian mm 我在这里回了就不在心版回了哦。 我说你在she said I'll sit tight时应该stop的意思和楼上这个mm的意思是一样的, 你下面再说I hope you didn't misunderstand me的时候就显得你对这个问题开始比较认真了, 其实工作中忌讳把小事放大。最好的办法是把大事化小, 小事化无。

不过你这个根本就不是什么事情了, 所以就不要放在心上了。很久夏季学期就过去了

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azureling

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2006-06-14 11:05:00

我觉得她回信说了,其实没有当成一个大事放在心上

所以你也不用再较真了 

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Durian

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2006-06-14 14:17:00

这个女生今天到现在为止一封E-MAIL也没发,甚至没回我昨天发出去的两封,一封是我参观及INTERVIEW CLIENT的SUMMARY,另外一封是客人正式聘请的CONSULTANT提供的OUTLINE SUGGESTION。她往常一上午都是10来封的E-MAIL发给大家的。

倒是组里另外一个女生,发了封她的OUTLINE DRAFT。这个女生前段时间很少回信的,而且她们俩的关系不错,以前就认识。

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faye

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2006-06-14 23:56:00

我也常常这样好心但是办事后的效果却不好。昨天还在另一个帖子里深有体会地说,不能太过得以己度人,毕竟每个人想法都不一样。现在这样,就不要再担心,再解释了。我现在信奉沉默是金。不到不得不说,就不说。否则容易没事变成有事,小事变成大事。有时候帮别人也是。别人不开口,就不要太主动。那个宝典里说我这样性格的就是容易overhelp,真是对呀。

这里其他的ID真是很会处理事,要好好学习

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