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你多久联系不上她啊？你何时购买的？何时打算退的？要是不合适，你也应该第一时间通知对方啊，不应该等上month吧？
flyorange 发表于 4/2/2015 1:23:20 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=1805133&postid=66954856#66954856]
flyorange 发表于 4/2/2015 1:23:20 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=1805133&postid=66954856#66954856]
我当时没打算退给她的啊，我当时跟她说过不合适我打算退给NM的啊，完全不会退给她的呀。所以完全不觉得会和她有关了啊。昨天也是receipt信息不完全所以才联系她的。至于month我承认我这两个月都没有进城，昨天才到NM的。这么复杂的退货以及我receipt不全也不可能网上退货的吧？要不是因为receipt的原因推不到NM我也不会联系她了。
"大衣上的tag上的价格还有item name完全不一样" - Original price was higher and it was 70% off. How can it be the same?
"无法证明是同一件商品" - I gave you all I have. If you use this as an excuse to force me offer a free return to you, sorry. No.
I don't understand the BG and NM naming convention. I can't tell you what short or long format they use in their product description. I bought this from BG and it was the same product in the receipt.
"我在NM等你答复等了一下午, 我却一直没等到你答复。" - Go check your messages and time stamp. MM, there is something call personal integrity. Don't lie. Please.
I don't want to return because I am risking my personal credit to do this favor for you. But if you really really need, you ship back to me at your own cost. If I receive the coat in returnable condition and NM accepts my return, I will offer you a refund. If not, might need to ship it back to you...
We are all grown up. We need to be responsible what we have done. You can't just let someone to pay for the decision you made. And you can't make up stories to accuse someone selling fake products. This is slander and I can sue you for that.
Anyway, I swear to God what I said above and have done regarding this transaction is all true.
Btw, if you ship it back to me, please make sure the plastic bag that has the bar code comes with it. They might need to scan that bar code.
"无法证明是同一件商品" - I gave you all I have. If you use this as an excuse to force me offer a free return to you, sorry. No.
I don't understand the BG and NM naming convention. I can't tell you what short or long format they use in their product description. I bought this from BG and it was the same product in the receipt.
"我在NM等你答复等了一下午, 我却一直没等到你答复。" - Go check your messages and time stamp. MM, there is something call personal integrity. Don't lie. Please.
I don't want to return because I am risking my personal credit to do this favor for you. But if you really really need, you ship back to me at your own cost. If I receive the coat in returnable condition and NM accepts my return, I will offer you a refund. If not, might need to ship it back to you...
We are all grown up. We need to be responsible what we have done. You can't just let someone to pay for the decision you made. And you can't make up stories to accuse someone selling fake products. This is slander and I can sue you for that.
Anyway, I swear to God what I said above and have done regarding this transaction is all true.
Btw, if you ship it back to me, please make sure the plastic bag that has the bar code comes with it. They might need to scan that bar code.
我觉得卖家完全没有错呀，凭啥过去一个多月的衣服，还要给你退呀?
"大衣上的tag上的价格还有item name完全不一样" - Original price was higher and it was 70% off. How can it be the same?
"无法证明是同一件商品" - I gave you all I have. If you use this as an excuse to force me offer a free return to you, sorry. No.
I don't understand the BG and NM naming convention. I can't tell you what short or long format they use in their product description. I bought this from BG and it was the same product in the receipt.
"我在NM等你答复等了一下午, 我却一直没等到你答复。" - Go check your messages and time stamp. MM, there is something call personal integrity. Don't lie. Please.
I don't want to return because I am risking my personal credit to do this favor for you. But if you really really need, you ship back to me at your own cost. If the product is in returnable condition and NM accepts my return, I will offer you a refund.
We are all grown up. We need to be responsible what we have done. You can't just let someone pay for the decision you made. And you can't make up stories to accuse someone selling fake products. This is slander and I can sue you for that.
Anyway, I swear to God what I said above and have done regarding this transaction is all true.
cottonfield 发表于 4/2/2015 1:48:33 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=1805133&postid=66955244#66955244]
"无法证明是同一件商品" - I gave you all I have. If you use this as an excuse to force me offer a free return to you, sorry. No.
I don't understand the BG and NM naming convention. I can't tell you what short or long format they use in their product description. I bought this from BG and it was the same product in the receipt.
"我在NM等你答复等了一下午, 我却一直没等到你答复。" - Go check your messages and time stamp. MM, there is something call personal integrity. Don't lie. Please.
I don't want to return because I am risking my personal credit to do this favor for you. But if you really really need, you ship back to me at your own cost. If the product is in returnable condition and NM accepts my return, I will offer you a refund.
We are all grown up. We need to be responsible what we have done. You can't just let someone pay for the decision you made. And you can't make up stories to accuse someone selling fake products. This is slander and I can sue you for that.
Anyway, I swear to God what I said above and have done regarding this transaction is all true.
cottonfield 发表于 4/2/2015 1:48:33 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=1805133&postid=66955244#66955244]
mm我说没等到你的答复是指你答复自己的个人信息，中间你跟我说了很多很多，从一开始的让我寄回给你你退，到后来的你已经不能退BG了，所以我才觉得有问题，有矛盾。我并没有说你lie，也请不要指责我lie，我只不过在尽可能的陈述事实。你却说我在make up stories，我从头到尾都没有确定的说你卖假货好不好？我只是说我个人不能验证真实性，因为NM大妈不能给我答复。我是抱着协商的态度，mm你却说我lie，还对天发誓，我觉得我的处理方式更成熟一些，至少我在讲事实，而不是发誓。也请mm你消消气，我真没有conclude你在卖假货好不？
至于我退回给你，我可以出邮费，但是希望我给你tracking后你能给我refund，就更我们当时交易一样，毕竟你知道我所有信息你却拒绝提供给我你的任何信息。我本身从没想过要退给你的，我本身只想退回NM不想给你麻烦的
我觉得卖家完全没有错呀，凭啥过去一个多月的衣服，还要给你退呀?
crystalwu920 发表于 4/2/2015 1:54:46 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=1805133&postid=66955334#66955334]
crystalwu920 发表于 4/2/2015 1:54:46 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=1805133&postid=66955334#66955334]
我是要退NM，不是要退卖家，谢谢
真的有这么困难吗？我只是单纯的想退NM而已啊？这个很不正常吗？NM的大妈也问我要了驾照，及时mm担心我退的东西有问题，他们也是会找我，不是找你啊？
好吧，我承认我自己在大农村待多了，外面的社会真是不了解了，既然当时选择了换版，选择了信任，现在出了问题也应该是自己承担。之后大件交易确实不应该这么马虎的。总觉得在美国信任是基本的条件。好吧，以后立志不在换班交易大件了，再买剁手，好好搬砖多赚钱才是王道。。
本来二手商品交易就是有风险的。mm不管你决定如何，我都理解支持了，但是请你不要再生气了，也不要旁敲侧击说我不正直，说我撒谎，我非常厌恶这种指责。也许我措辞也有问题，让你感觉offended，那我先道歉。也希望你不要再攻击我。
发这个贴是当时在NM被大妈问询然后突然无法给你发短信后，没法联系到你了，才决定发这里的，因为我觉得你直接黑名单我了。。。也许是你信箱满了吧，希望我误会了
不管你当时是黑名单我，还是你邮箱满了，我的初衷只是想locate到你的purchase history 并没有别的。因为我从没想过要退给你啊，我只想退给NM啊！如果真是BG买的，退货时候登记的也是我的驾照，这个真的很苛刻吗？
本来二手商品交易就是有风险的。mm不管你决定如何，我都理解支持了，但是请你不要再生气了，也不要旁敲侧击说我不正直，说我撒谎，我非常厌恶这种指责。也许我措辞也有问题，让你感觉offended，那我先道歉。也希望你不要再攻击我。
发这个贴是当时在NM被大妈问询然后突然无法给你发短信后，没法联系到你了，才决定发这里的，因为我觉得你直接黑名单我了。。。也许是你信箱满了吧，希望我误会了
不管你当时是黑名单我，还是你邮箱满了，我的初衷只是想locate到你的purchase history 并没有别的。因为我从没想过要退给你啊，我只想退给NM啊！如果真是BG买的，退货时候登记的也是我的驾照，这个真的很苛刻吗？
看了第一段。。。这么多麻烦事，又是paypal又是退店里的，卖家一开始就不该卖
LZ mm, check your msg pls.
MM, let's talk about the transaction history. First, I usually take Chase QP only, you said you only have Paypal. I accepted. You said you want the receipt. Ok. I gave it to you. Now you said you want my personal information and free return. No. I can't compromise on this.
mm你当时担心paypal不安全，等了一个星期钱款clear了才寄出得，我也是答应的，但是当时确实跟你提过我如果size不合适会推回NM，你是同意的吧？而且我昨天第一次联系你的时候你说让我换班卖掉或者寄回给你然后你再自己推掉。之后又说自己退太多不能退，所以我觉得你前后矛盾（能不能退NM）才对东西的真实性产生怀疑的。所有邮件记录我都有，我绝对不认为你有迁就我什么东西。至于个人信息，我的姓名住址电话乃至学校的邮箱我都发给你过证明身份的。
PS：无论咱们协商结果怎么样，我绝对不会猥琐的去找paypal要回钱，这点mm你绝对放心。我这点RP还是有的。正如我不敢确认这件大衣是否正品就不会在换班接着卖一样。
1. I don't think that is my responsibility to offer you a free return.
First, is this a defective item? No. I inspect all the details before I ship to you. It was in great condition. Second, is this against Huaren policy that I sell fake item? No. I bought this from BG and there is transaction record to prove my innocence. Third, is this against Huaren policy that I did not show the receipt? No, I not only showed the receipt when I posted it online. I gave you the actual receipt, which not many sellers can provide that.
Go check with Saks and see if you can get free return in your case.
请看我主贴，我之所以怀疑真实性（不是怀疑你mm，我是不想换班卖东西出问题）是昨天在NM等了一下午，确觉得你是前后矛盾的时候（寄回给你你退BG，你退太多不能退）。大件超过300本来就是需要有receipt的，我不觉得有问题。我们在讨论NM退货，你确说在说Saks，每家renturn policy 不一样的吧？我昨天短信过你了，BG的大妈告诉我退是OK的。但是receipt上写的时short popiln trench blk; black; 14; 383.00， 和大衣上的tag上的价格还有item name完全不一样，所以大妈需要购买人的信息去证实你是否买过这件商品。我可以理解online卖东西名字价签有可能不一样，但是NM的大妈不认啊？我也没法从他们那里获取任何是否正品的信息啊？
2. It has been months. If you want to return, why you didn't do it earlier.
If I want to return to BG, I would have done it earlier. Now it's been months. They will not be happy if I return this item. I had a warning letter from them saying that I can't return anymore. Otherwise, I am not allowed to buy from them. That was the reason I sold this. If I want to return it, I would have done that. Why brother to sell in Huaren.
我说过了，我在农村，最近的BG，NM也要开车五个小时，交易是在一月。我承认中间耽误了两个多月我自己拖延症不愿意网上退货，总觉得有机会去店里退货最保险。昨天我在NM等你答复等了一下午，我也跟你保证过如果我退货会说服他们把这次退货算在我头上。大妈没有保证成功，但是答应会帮我问问BG那边的人把这次算我头上。我却一直没等到你答复。
3. BG does not offer the return, not my fault.
I can't predict their policy and when it will be changed. I can't guarantee BG will offer a return on a product. This is something I can't control.
I believe I have done my due diligence on this transaction.
mm我不想强求你什么，但是因为receipt标示不清无法退NM，而且也无法证明是同一件商品（我不敢换班卖）。你要是一定认为我有部分错误，就像你第一封邮件跟我说的，我愿意承担寄回给你的运费（我也会回去拍照证明我绝对没穿过这件大衣，标牌什么的都在。我发誓我只试过一次发现大了那次。）
cottonfield 发表于 4/2/2015 10:08:48 AM
LZ mm, check your msg pls.
MM, let's talk about the transaction history. First, I usually take Chase QP only, you said you only have Paypal. I accepted. You said you want the receipt. Ok. I gave it to you. Now you said you want my personal information and free return. No. I can't compromise on this.
mm你当时担心paypal不安全，等了一个星期钱款clear了才寄出得，我也是答应的，但是当时确实跟你提过我如果size不合适会推回NM，你是同意的吧？而且我昨天第一次联系你的时候你说让我换班卖掉或者寄回给你然后你再自己推掉。之后又说自己退太多不能退，所以我觉得你前后矛盾（能不能退NM）才对东西的真实性产生怀疑的。所有邮件记录我都有，我绝对不认为你有迁就我什么东西。至于个人信息，我的姓名住址电话乃至学校的邮箱我都发给你过证明身份的。
PS：无论咱们协商结果怎么样，我绝对不会猥琐的去找paypal要回钱，这点mm你绝对放心。我这点RP还是有的。正如我不敢确认这件大衣是否正品就不会在换班接着卖一样。
1. I don't think that is my responsibility to offer you a free return.
First, is this a defective item? No. I inspect all the details before I ship to you. It was in great condition. Second, is this against Huaren policy that I sell fake item? No. I bought this from BG and there is transaction record to prove my innocence. Third, is this against Huaren policy that I did not show the receipt? No, I not only showed the receipt when I posted it online. I gave you the actual receipt, which not many sellers can provide that.
Go check with Saks and see if you can get free return in your case.
请看我主贴，我之所以怀疑真实性（不是怀疑你mm，我是不想换班卖东西出问题）是昨天在NM等了一下午，确觉得你是前后矛盾的时候（寄回给你你退BG，你退太多不能退）。大件超过300本来就是需要有receipt的，我不觉得有问题。我们在讨论NM退货，你确说在说Saks，每家renturn policy 不一样的吧？我昨天短信过你了，BG的大妈告诉我退是OK的。但是receipt上写的时short popiln trench blk; black; 14; 383.00， 和大衣上的tag上的价格还有item name完全不一样，所以大妈需要购买人的信息去证实你是否买过这件商品。我可以理解online卖东西名字价签有可能不一样，但是NM的大妈不认啊？我也没法从他们那里获取任何是否正品的信息啊？
2. It has been months. If you want to return, why you didn't do it earlier.
If I want to return to BG, I would have done it earlier. Now it's been months. They will not be happy if I return this item. I had a warning letter from them saying that I can't return anymore. Otherwise, I am not allowed to buy from them. That was the reason I sold this. If I want to return it, I would have done that. Why brother to sell in Huaren.
我说过了，我在农村，最近的BG，NM也要开车五个小时，交易是在一月。我承认中间耽误了两个多月我自己拖延症不愿意网上退货，总觉得有机会去店里退货最保险。昨天我在NM等你答复等了一下午，我也跟你保证过如果我退货会说服他们把这次退货算在我头上。大妈没有保证成功，但是答应会帮我问问BG那边的人把这次算我头上。我却一直没等到你答复。
3. BG does not offer the return, not my fault.
I can't predict their policy and when it will be changed. I can't guarantee BG will offer a return on a product. This is something I can't control.
I believe I have done my due diligence on this transaction.
mm我不想强求你什么，但是因为receipt标示不清无法退NM，而且也无法证明是同一件商品（我不敢换班卖）。你要是一定认为我有部分错误，就像你第一封邮件跟我说的，我愿意承担寄回给你的运费（我也会回去拍照证明我绝对没穿过这件大衣，标牌什么的都在。我发誓我只试过一次发现大了那次。）
cottonfield 发表于 4/2/2015 10:08:48 AM
看了第一段。。。这么多麻烦事，又是paypal又是退店里的，卖家一开始就不该卖
LZ mm, check your msg pls.
MM, let's talk about the transaction history. First, I usually take Chase QP only, you said you only have Paypal. I accepted. You said you want the receipt. Ok. I gave it to you. Now you said you want my personal information and free return. No. I can't compromise on this.
mm你当时担心paypal不安全，等了一个星期钱款clear了才寄出得，我也是答应的，但是当时确实跟你提过我如果size不合适会推回NM，你是同意的吧？而且我昨天第一次联系你的时候你说让我换班卖掉或者寄回给你然后你再自己推掉。之后又说自己退太多不能退，所以我觉得你前后矛盾（能不能退NM）才对东西的真实性产生怀疑的。所有邮件记录我都有，我绝对不认为你有迁就我什么东西。至于个人信息，我的姓名住址电话乃至学校的邮箱我都发给你过证明身份的。
PS：无论咱们协商结果怎么样，我绝对不会猥琐的去找paypal要回钱，这点mm你绝对放心。我这点RP还是有的。正如我不敢确认这件大衣是否正品就不会在换班接着卖一样。
1. I don't think that is my responsibility to offer you a free return.
First, is this a defective item? No. I inspect all the details before I ship to you. It was in great condition. Second, is this against Huaren policy that I sell fake item? No. I bought this from BG and there is transaction record to prove my innocence. Third, is this against Huaren policy that I did not show the receipt? No, I not only showed the receipt when I posted it online. I gave you the actual receipt, which not many sellers can provide that.
Go check with Saks and see if you can get free return in your case.
请看我主贴，我之所以怀疑真实性（不是怀疑你mm，我是不想换班卖东西出问题）是昨天在NM等了一下午，确觉得你是前后矛盾的时候（寄回给你你退BG，你退太多不能退）。大件超过300本来就是需要有receipt的，我不觉得有问题。我们在讨论NM退货，你确说在说Saks，每家renturn policy 不一样的吧？我昨天短信过你了，BG的大妈告诉我退是OK的。但是receipt上写的时short popiln trench blk; black; 14; 383.00， 和大衣上的tag上的价格还有item name完全不一样，所以大妈需要购买人的信息去证实你是否买过这件商品。我可以理解online卖东西名字价签有可能不一样，但是NM的大妈不认啊？我也没法从他们那里获取任何是否正品的信息啊？
2. It has been months. If you want to return, why you didn't do it earlier.
If I want to return to BG, I would have done it earlier. Now it's been months. They will not be happy if I return this item. I had a warning letter from them saying that I can't return anymore. Otherwise, I am not allowed to buy from them. That was the reason I sold this. If I want to return it, I would have done that. Why brother to sell in Huaren.
我说过了，我在农村，最近的BG，NM也要开车五个小时，交易是在一月。我承认中间耽误了两个多月我自己拖延症不愿意网上退货，总觉得有机会去店里退货最保险。昨天我在NM等你答复等了一下午，我也跟你保证过如果我退货会说服他们把这次退货算在我头上。大妈没有保证成功，但是答应会帮我问问BG那边的人把这次算我头上。我却一直没等到你答复。
3. BG does not offer the return, not my fault.
I can't predict their policy and when it will be changed. I can't guarantee BG will offer a return on a product. This is something I can't control.
I believe I have done my due diligence on this transaction.
mm我不想强求你什么，但是因为receipt标示不清无法退NM，而且也无法证明是同一件商品（我不敢换班卖）。你要是一定认为我有部分错误，就像你第一封邮件跟我说的，我愿意承担寄回给你的运费（我也会回去拍照证明我绝对没穿过这件大衣，标牌什么的都在。我发誓我只试过一次发现大了那次。）
cottonfield 发表于 4/2/2015 10:08:48 AM
dedd 发表于 4/2/2015 9:24:43 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=1805133&postid=66960149#66960149]
LZ mm, check your msg pls.
MM, let's talk about the transaction history. First, I usually take Chase QP only, you said you only have Paypal. I accepted. You said you want the receipt. Ok. I gave it to you. Now you said you want my personal information and free return. No. I can't compromise on this.
mm你当时担心paypal不安全，等了一个星期钱款clear了才寄出得，我也是答应的，但是当时确实跟你提过我如果size不合适会推回NM，你是同意的吧？而且我昨天第一次联系你的时候你说让我换班卖掉或者寄回给你然后你再自己推掉。之后又说自己退太多不能退，所以我觉得你前后矛盾（能不能退NM）才对东西的真实性产生怀疑的。所有邮件记录我都有，我绝对不认为你有迁就我什么东西。至于个人信息，我的姓名住址电话乃至学校的邮箱我都发给你过证明身份的。
PS：无论咱们协商结果怎么样，我绝对不会猥琐的去找paypal要回钱，这点mm你绝对放心。我这点RP还是有的。正如我不敢确认这件大衣是否正品就不会在换班接着卖一样。
1. I don't think that is my responsibility to offer you a free return.
First, is this a defective item? No. I inspect all the details before I ship to you. It was in great condition. Second, is this against Huaren policy that I sell fake item? No. I bought this from BG and there is transaction record to prove my innocence. Third, is this against Huaren policy that I did not show the receipt? No, I not only showed the receipt when I posted it online. I gave you the actual receipt, which not many sellers can provide that.
Go check with Saks and see if you can get free return in your case.
请看我主贴，我之所以怀疑真实性（不是怀疑你mm，我是不想换班卖东西出问题）是昨天在NM等了一下午，确觉得你是前后矛盾的时候（寄回给你你退BG，你退太多不能退）。大件超过300本来就是需要有receipt的，我不觉得有问题。我们在讨论NM退货，你确说在说Saks，每家renturn policy 不一样的吧？我昨天短信过你了，BG的大妈告诉我退是OK的。但是receipt上写的时short popiln trench blk; black; 14; 383.00， 和大衣上的tag上的价格还有item name完全不一样，所以大妈需要购买人的信息去证实你是否买过这件商品。我可以理解online卖东西名字价签有可能不一样，但是NM的大妈不认啊？我也没法从他们那里获取任何是否正品的信息啊？
2. It has been months. If you want to return, why you didn't do it earlier.
If I want to return to BG, I would have done it earlier. Now it's been months. They will not be happy if I return this item. I had a warning letter from them saying that I can't return anymore. Otherwise, I am not allowed to buy from them. That was the reason I sold this. If I want to return it, I would have done that. Why brother to sell in Huaren.
我说过了，我在农村，最近的BG，NM也要开车五个小时，交易是在一月。我承认中间耽误了两个多月我自己拖延症不愿意网上退货，总觉得有机会去店里退货最保险。昨天我在NM等你答复等了一下午，我也跟你保证过如果我退货会说服他们把这次退货算在我头上。大妈没有保证成功，但是答应会帮我问问BG那边的人把这次算我头上。我却一直没等到你答复。
3. BG does not offer the return, not my fault.
I can't predict their policy and when it will be changed. I can't guarantee BG will offer a return on a product. This is something I can't control.
I believe I have done my due diligence on this transaction.
mm我不想强求你什么，但是因为receipt标示不清无法退NM，而且也无法证明是同一件商品（我不敢换班卖）。你要是一定认为我有部分错误，就像你第一封邮件跟我说的，我愿意承担寄回给你的运费（我也会回去拍照证明我绝对没穿过这件大衣，标牌什么的都在。我发誓我只试过一次发现大了那次。）
cottonfield 发表于 4/2/2015 10:08:48 AM
dedd 发表于 4/2/2015 9:24:43 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=1805133&postid=66960149#66960149]
我也希望我没有买。希望mm将来也不要卖任何东西给我
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