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2015-09-13 23:41:05

这个问题都讨论烂了,你看我首页就有。他是支持高科技移民的,特别是在美国上学的,打击的是ICC这种直接搬运的。他自己演讲时说过好多次了。

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怎么看不出来这个政策怎么打击ICC直接搬运而不打击正经毕业的中国人?
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2015-09-14 00:17:00

好吧,我就总结一下Trump对合法移民的看法:
1. 这个policy说的是Before any new green cards are issued to foreign workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers.
一直强调的是foreign workers abroad, 即空降的。中国的EB123绝大多数都是在美国转身份的,在美国境内的念书的是被他算在domestic pool里面的,他反对的是直接从国外来的走consulate process的, 走这个基本上是印度和菲律宾的EB3。

2. 提高h1b工资要求:对正经工作的中国人没问题,可以cut ICC从印度运廉价劳力。

3. Trump自己多次说要鼓励在美国上学的外国人留下来,比如他自己的tweet:
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
I want talented people to come into this country—to work hard and to become citizens. Silicon Valley needs engineers, etc.
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
When foreigners attend our great colleges & want to stay in the U.S., they should not be thrown out of our country.

4. 还比如他自己的答记者问:
很多人都听说了昨天记者Ramos因为不守规矩被Trump暂时请出会场,可是后来Trump又让他回来了哦,还回答了他所有问题,他自己主动提到中合法移民,特别是在美国读书的, 原话如下(感谢urthur mm):
TRUMP: No, not at all. ... We need that in the Silicon Valley when somebody goes to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, the Wharton school of finance, we send them out as soon as they graduate. They can't stay here. It's ridiculous. They want to be here. So, then they go to their country wherever it may be, whether it's Asia, Mexico, wherever it may be and they compete against us. I don't want that. I'll have one more then, yes, ma'am? Go ahead.

5.
类似的说法在他演讲中也不只出现了一次, 比如:Donald Trump speaks at the SC Tea Party Convention Nov 20, 2015
你碰巧来自亚洲,你在哈佛拿第一名,你留不下来。你可以去沃顿商学院学金融,这是最好的商学院。你可以是一个伟大的天才,他们叫你离开这个国家。你待了四年,你在你们班第一,你很聪明,你想留在这个国家,你想要做的非常出色,你要创业要雇人,他们说,离开这里。这是令人难以置信的。 所以这些人回到中国,回到韩国,回到他们的国家。他们非常出色,击败了我们的大脑。他们是非常棒的。为什么我们要继续这样做?为什么真正能做事的人没有留下来,而留下来的是那些越过边境的非法移民。我有天晚上看新闻,边境执法者站在那里不动,看着数百人,大概上千人,走过美墨边境,进入我们的国家。(掌声)

You happened to come from Asia, you are number one in Harvard, you can't get in. You can go to Wharton School of Finance, which is the best business school. You can go and be a great genius and they throw you out of the country. Four years you stay, you do, you're number one in your class you really smart, you want to stay in this country, you want to do a great job,you want to employ people, they say get out of here. It is unbelievable. So they go back to China, they go back to South Korea, they go back to other places. And they beat our brains. They are really good. Why are we keep it that. Why are the people that really add something, as opposed to people just flow across the border. I saw something on the news the other night,where they have guards standing there, and hundreds of people, probably thousands, people just walking right through, into our country.


又比如这些:
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1hG4tTJXq8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1hG4tTJXq8[/url]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVGdPrDzJPA



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2015-09-14 02:48:07

妈呀,10k难民还不够,Dem的Sen叫Chris Murphy的居然说要升到50k,他说的话简直一点不make sense啊,说如果美国想要解救难民的credibility就必须解救多一些,说如果美国不救,可能ISIS会救,我快笑死了,苦笑 Homeland security的说一般审查个难民需要18个月到2年的调查时间,现在又竟是网上号召搞孤狼行动的,这些人不分良莠的涌进来还得了,再说了,进入德国的那些难民可能拿到签证,也能到美国,到时候这些人也全跑美国来了 那个Dem的一再强调美国不能cold hearted,靠,这人应该当教父去 说美国花了40个米培训50个叙立亚的rebel,结果训练完了,人跑到敌人那头去了
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2015-09-14 11:45:17

妈呀,10k难民还不够,Dem的Sen叫Chris Murphy的居然说要升到50k,他说的话简直一点不make sense啊,说如果美国想要解救难民的credibility就必须解救多一些,说如果美国不救,可能ISIS会救,我快笑死了,苦笑
Homeland security的说一般审查个难民需要18个月到2年的调查时间,现在又竟是网上号召搞孤狼行动的,这些人不分良莠的涌进来还得了,再说了,进入德国的那些难民可能拿到签证,也能到美国,到时候这些人也全跑美国来了
那个Dem的一再强调美国不能cold hearted,靠,这人应该当教父去
说美国花了40个米培训50个叙立亚的rebel,结果训练完了,人跑到敌人那头去了
PositiveVibe 发表于 9/14/2015 2:48:07 AM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=1868851&postid=69064975#69064975]

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Homeland security的说一般审查个难民需要18个月到2年的调查时间 -> 只要能坚持这个标准就问题不大,单纯吹嘘数字其实没什么用。
训练rebel就是冒傻气的行为,要么资金/武器支持,要么直接自己上,训练msl? 忘了拉登的教训了?人家转眼间就翻脸。
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2015-09-14 13:48:16

Monmouth University poll in New Hampshire: Donald Trump is still leading the Republican field in the Granite State, earning 28% support from likely GOP primary voters to Carson's 17%. Ohio Gov. John Kasich, at 11%, is the only other candidate in double digits. Trailing them are Texas Sen. Ted Cruz at 8%, Carly Fiorina and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush at 7%, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio at 4% and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie at 2%. Six other candidates earned less than 1% backing. [url=http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/32212254770/32212254991/32212254992/32212254994/32212254995/30064771087/97cb1ef5-00c8-4819-ad3c-71758cc746eb.pdf]http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/32212254770/32212254991/32212254992/32212254994/32212254995/30064771087/97cb1ef5-00c8-4819-ad3c-71758cc746eb.pdf[/url]
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2015-09-14 13:50:03

Trump在somewhat conservative和moderate的poll中进步,显示了在general election中的潜力:

Party – New Hampshire’s open primary system allows undeclared voters to participate in
party primaries. There is no significant difference in support levels based on partisan
registration. Trump does equally as well among registered Republicans (28%) as he does
among registered independents and new voters (29%). This marks a 7 point
improvement in his support among registered Republicans and no change among other
voters since July.

Ideology – Trump’s support has declined slightly among very conservative voters, but
has improved among somewhat conservative and moderate voters. Very conservative
voters back Carson (25%), Trump (23%), and Cruz (13%). Somewhat conservative
voters support Trump (32%), followed by Carson (17%). Moderate voters back Trump
(29%) and Kasich (19%).
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2015-09-14 13:53:53


怎么看不出来这个政策怎么打击ICC直接搬运而不打击正经毕业的中国人?


小白兔兽性大发 发表于 9/13/2015 11:41:05 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=1868851&postid=69063776#69063776]

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你引用的那段话里就有啊:More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's [url=http://lowes.com]lowes[/url]t allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas.
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2015-09-14 13:59:21


哈哈人家一看你就不是非移

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发传单的小哥介绍自己是合法移民,指责trump 抹黑他们的祖国、诽谤他们这批移民。作为trump supporter, 我觉得有些内疚。。。

结果三秒不到,他们就开始喊Undocumented and not afraid...我觉得他们若采取Y_U_SHOOTME的说法会有更好的效果。。。自私的立场,me me me的心态不会引起太多人的共鸣。
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发传单的小哥介绍自己是合法移民,指责trump 抹黑他们的祖国、诽谤他们这批移民。作为trump supporter, 我觉得有些内疚。。。

结果三秒不到,他们就开始喊Undocumented and not afraid...我觉得他们若采取Y_U_SHOOTME的说法会有更好的效果。。。自私的立场,me me me的心态不会引起太多人的共鸣。


urthur 发表于 9/14/2015 1:59:21 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=1868851&postid=69068892#69068892]

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好汗啊!身为illegal居然还在公共场合肆无忌惮,法制呢?
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2015-09-14 15:58:28


你引用的那段话里就有啊:More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's [url=http://lowes.com]lowes[/url]t allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas.
hijklmn 发表于 9/14/2015 1:53:53 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=1868851&postid=69068811#69068811]

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这有什么不对的么,作为美国总统不应该先考虑自己公民的工作,再考虑H-1B么
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