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2016-02-08 20:55:51

楼主姐姐,我说诚心问这问题的。能给个回答吗?
yeshunan 发表于 2/8/2016 8:37:27 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=1964830&postid=70710711#70710711]

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这个问题是一个很好的问题。。。人所处的生存环境是欲界。。。所谓欲界,食色性也!

回答是需要定力很高的人,才能在性爱中得定。。。一般的人,都是性爱的高潮一来,就根本定不住了,随着欲望跑了。

西藏的密宗有男女双修的法门,这其实不是在耍流氓,而是通过这种强大的人体欲望来修心。西藏的很多喇嘛(喇嘛与和尚是一个意思)都是有老婆有家庭的,真正的修行者不局限于外在的生活形式,如果能够在性爱中修心,对修行也有很大的帮助。。。关键是用什么样的心态!一切唯心造!

其实四禅八定的修行过程当中,修到二禅的时候,精气神会经过人的生殖系统,那种飘飘欲仙的感觉比男女性爱要更令人沉醉百倍,如果一个人心智不坚,就会沉迷在这种相当中,无法修行进步。。。只有克服这种超强大欲望的引诱,才能够突破二禅,进入三禅。。。因此,每一个真正大彻大悟的修行人,哪怕一辈子都没有经历过房事,都被这种性的欲望所考验过的,只有经历过考验并战胜自己的人,才能够真正与道合一!
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kethy

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2016-02-09 00:53:20

说到心态我还想说一点。心态也是一个很好调整的东西。是可以认为训练的。比如人到中年我们每个人心态多少都会比年轻的时候心态放松。为啥因为挫折受多了嘛,不用人教自然知道我其实没有那么大的本事。接受这样的自己接受这样的命运比较好。我不认为这需要学习,这是基因里的东西。因为只有接受现实我们才能活下去。据不接受现实撞的头破血流的人也早被淘汰,或者注定要被进化淘汰掉的。可是心态调整好的人都真的拥有了正确积极看待人生和世界的办法了吗?--我敢说还没有。

再举个心态的例子,美国这里从小鼓励幽默展现自我,positive thinking. Aggressive 。然后培养了大批能言善辩,心态绝对好,遇事绝对会推脱责任的MD们。 看上去他们有活力外向乐观,礼貌有风度。可一遇到问题呢?就显现出很多人的阴暗,不择手段,无比的自私,撒谎,没有责任心,踩着别人往上爬。不止是MD哪行哪业都有很多这样外表美丽内在丑陋的人。而且很多都是成功的人。他们为什么成功?不是他们幸运,恰恰相反,正是他们训练出来的“美丽”的外包装让他们很成功。他们知道成功的捷径在哪儿,他们知道面对这个世界如何调整心态让自己成功。但她们不知道也不在乎如何真正真善美地看待这个世界看待自己。

你如何能说这样的人有真正的智慧呢?但她们无疑是有面对这个世界很好的心态的。

手机打字真费劲。
ccchhh 发表于 2/6/2016 2:51:32 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=1964830&postid=70690475#70690475]

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mm,你是一个现实主义者,说到底你最认同的是这个社会强者生存,弱者淘汰,你觉得这些都是基因,是我们人类社会进步的推动力。你的价值观并不是众生平等,和佛教是完全不同的。你举的例子里的“成功”定义,也是世俗的成功。但是真正的成功是什么?是按照有钱,有地位来判定的吗?佛家讲万事万相都无非入梦如幻如泡影,不知你理解不理解。真正的成功,我理解是首先做好自己,每个人的本分不同,天资不同,影响力有大有小,先把自己做好了;能力大的人,有智慧的人,修行的目的也不是为了自己,真正“无我”,是彻底的不为自己图利益,为的是天下众生,为了他人和社会,只要是有正面的影响,无论多少,都是好的。
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kethy

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2016-02-09 00:55:57

有人是希望自己优秀凡事比别人做的好。觉得自己聪明智商高。比如我自己。这就是一个人自我在作祟。比别人优秀不了的时候就失落啦,就挫败感了。有些其实已经很优秀的孩子或者大人不就自杀了吗?

其实我一直认为人很难放弃自我。为啥我认为这是写在我们基因里,进化需要。一个不想和别人比较不想把别人比下去的人也许他的基因已经被进化淘汰了。因为这样的人是不利于我们人类进步的。

还有另一个问题是如何对丑陋的事情和丑陋的人能原谅和接受。这是一个更大的智慧,也是对人性一个更大的考验。举个例子。
ccchhh 发表于 2/6/2016 2:21:20 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=1964830&postid=70690295#70690295]

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这点不同意。真正觉悟了的智者,其实才是我们人类进步的真正推动力。人类进步靠的不只是科学技术,我们这个时代,科学已经发展到了这样的地步,我们真正需要的是更多的觉悟和智慧
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kethy

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2016-02-09 00:57:37

我说这些是想说,修行更是智慧层面上的。修行更是你怎么看待世界看待他人看待自己的问题。至于你们讨论的打坐念经培养爱好那真的很低级。恕我直言。
ccchhh 发表于 2/6/2016 2:31:40 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=1964830&postid=70690368#70690368]

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每个人的天资不同。有些对你很容易的,对别人就很难;有些对别人狠容易的,对你就很难。这个论断未免武断了一点
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2016-02-09 09:13:53

这点不同意。真正觉悟了的智者,其实才是我们人类进步的真正推动力。人类进步靠的不只是科学技术,我们这个时代,科学已经发展到了这样的地步,我们真正需要的是更多的觉悟和智慧

kethy 发表于 2/9/2016 12:55:57 AM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=1964830&postid=70712857#70712857]

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mm的话太令我感动了。。。我给mm顶礼了,感恩mm!
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2016-02-09 13:28:10


:D Thanks for leading me to read Matthew 7
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
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happilyeverafter 发表于 2/7/2016 3:37:21 AM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=1964830&postid=70695005#70695005]

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Wow, this couldn't have been expressed better.

Knowing is not equivalent to doing, and doing is not the same as being.

Hope all of us will be able to eventually understand the true meaning of Buddha's teachings and embody it. 我们一起加油~
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2016-02-09 16:35:21

Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. My background lacks any religious education nor spiritual experiences, but I'm interested to learn more through this discussion. Hope you can help me with the basic concept still, so if my questions sound blunt or disrespectful, I apologies. It is not my intention. I'd like to know how "分别心“ and “缘” is related. In my understanding, the goal is to achieve no 分别心, treat everyone equal. But in cases where you pick your friends, you would select the ones you have "缘分“ with. When we do that, won't we treating people differently? Through the discussion in this thread, I also see there is a requirement to have faith in your master. Trust that person no matter what. But how do you tell if someone is truly doing good for you? In the example you had with your friends asking you to buy stuff, you don't think that was a good deed for her, so you ignored her request, but how do you know if she is asking for herself? What if she is buying for someone special and deserve it? I'm trying to understand how to think about this logically. Or this is more about "智慧“, and not so much with the logic we are familiar with?
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2016-02-09 17:49:26

Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. My background lacks any religious education nor spiritual experiences, but I'm interested to learn more through this discussion. Hope you can help me with the basic concept still, so if my questions sound blunt or disrespectful, I apologies. It is not my intention.

I'd like to know how "分别心“ and “缘” is related. In my understanding, the goal is to achieve no 分别心, treat everyone equal. But in cases where you pick your friends, you would select the ones you have "缘分“ with. When we do that, won't we treating people differently?

Through the discussion in this thread, I also see there is a requirement to have faith in your master. Trust that person no matter what. But how do you tell if someone is truly doing good for you? In the example you had with your friends asking you to buy stuff, you don't think that was a good deed for her, so you ignored her request, but how do you know if she is asking for herself? What if she is buying for someone special and deserve it? I'm trying to understand how to think about this logically. Or this is more about "智慧“, and not so much with the logic we are familiar with?
Doraemon 发表于 2/9/2016 4:35:21 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=1964830&postid=70719906#70719906]

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mm你这些问题很好,很同意你的观点,如果一个人看不透因缘的话,就没办法修除分别心。

因此,修心就是增加自己的明觉度,提高通过现象看本质的能力。

分别心是指人内在的心态。。。缘分是指外在的自然现象。。。内在的心态是不变的,外在的自然现象是时刻变化的。

宇宙自然的真相,是一个集物质现象,自然现象和精神现象为一体的东东。。。因为它本身就超越了二元对立,所以,用二元对立世界观的逻辑是无法理解的。。。我一直说,人生的妙处就是真理不是理解出来的,而是靠自己的行为实践出来的。。。这也是为啥真理一落入语言或是文字,就不再是真理啦,成了死板的知识!老子说,道可道,非常道!再次赞叹老子大大的高明!

回到代购包包的这个具体事情,我现在明觉度有提高,我周围的人一开口说话,我就知道他/她的动机是啥,是为了满足她自我的欲望呢。。。还是为了无私奉献利益他人。。。这个需要根据具体情况具体分析,因为外在的自然现象是时刻变化的嘛。。呵呵
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happilyeverafter

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2016-02-09 18:42:58


Wow, this couldn't have been expressed better.

Knowing is not equivalent to doing, and doing is not the same as being.

Hope all of us will be able to eventually understand the true meaning of Buddha's teachings and embody it. 我们一起加油~



urthur 发表于 2/9/2016 1:28:10 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=1964830&postid=70717071#70717071]

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right, let us build our house on a rock!!
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2016-02-09 23:02:27

Thanks for explaining. 分别心是指人内在的心态, this 内在的心态, is not the same as how we usually referring to our feelings, right? This is the state we want to achieve through 修心? Like you mentioned earlier, we want to find our 本心, and our 本心 will treat everyone equal. 因为它本身就超越了二元对立,所以,用二元对立世界观的逻辑是无法理解的. This is interesting, I guess it's like trying to explain 4 dimensional world to people only understand 3 dimensions. 人生的妙处就是真理不是理解出来的,而是靠自己的行为实践出来的. this is hard to understand. If it is been done, why it can't be explained? But that's ok, I wish I can at least through the examples trying to grasp the meaning.
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