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I'm one of those liberals who are against affirmative actions. Make no mistake I think the current approach is a bandaid at best and will inevitably hurt minorities in the long run. I think many liberals actually share my view on this issue. Take a look at Justice Kennedy's dissent. Honestly I think there's no telling how the future SCOTUS will vote on this issue whether the court will be liberal leaning or conservative leaning. I Think we the Asians should be very loud mouthed about it: sue, fight, talk, debate, to force others to reevaluate the issue. I'd love to see an Asian Fisher who has the audacity to sue the crap out of the unjust system.
Yeah I agree everything costs money including building a wall and deporting millions of undocumented. :-)
Regarding war on drugs, this article has some pretty compelling points: [url=http://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2013/Powelldrugs.html]http://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2013/Powelldrugs.html[/url]
At this point I don't think anyone can persuade the other side to change how they 're going to vote. I just merely threw some alternative views as a fruit for thought. :)
1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 9, 你说的这些条support哪个不需要钱？奥巴执政八年，中产收入下降，更多人live in poverty，美国国债翻倍，你说的这些support哪个是天上掉馅饼免费来的？民主党经济上没起色，只会折腾厕所，加保费和加税。3，民主党的supreme court justice支持AA，大赦非移，对我们是实实在在的影响，你怎么不提？你说的那些social issues，现在不已经都合法化了，还折腾什么劲？一定要矫枉过正随便上厕所才行？
4，见仁见智，对恐怖分子，特别是有即将进行袭击的恐怖分子，torture是一种威吓，天天话聊能得到阻止袭击的信息吗？
8，什么意思？毒品合法化？毒品很多都是南面边境进来的，如果不加强边境管理，fight war on drugs就是一句空话，加上现在很多毒贩子都被马桶放出来了，确实已经放弃了war on drugs，功德无量
luckyso 发表于 6/25/2016 10:31:00 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=72026755&postid=72026755#72026755]
I'm one of those liberals who are against affirmative actions. Make no mistake I think the current approach is a bandaid at best and will inevitably hurt minorities in the long run. I think many liberals actually share my view on this issue. Take a look at Justice Kennedy's dissent. Honestly I think there's no telling how the future SCOTUS will vote on this issue whether the court will be liberal leaning or conservative leaning. I Think we the Asians should be very loud mouthed about it: sue, fight, talk, debate, to force others to reevaluate the issue. I'd love to see an Asian Fisher who has the audacity to sue the crap out of the unjust system.
Yeah I agree everything costs money including building a wall and deporting millions of undocumented. :-)
Regarding war on drugs, this article has some pretty compelling points: [url=http://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2013/Powelldrugs.html]http://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2013/Powelldrugs.html[/url]
At this point I don't think anyone can persuade the other side to change how they 're going to vote. I just merely threw some alternative views as a fruit for thought. :)
不飞花 发表于 6/25/2016 11:33:17 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2031879&postid=72027084#72027084]
Yeah I agree everything costs money including building a wall and deporting millions of undocumented. :-)
Regarding war on drugs, this article has some pretty compelling points: [url=http://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2013/Powelldrugs.html]http://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2013/Powelldrugs.html[/url]
At this point I don't think anyone can persuade the other side to change how they 're going to vote. I just merely threw some alternative views as a fruit for thought. :)
不飞花 发表于 6/25/2016 11:33:17 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2031879&postid=72027084#72027084]
你反对AA，可是希拉里上台会使高院未来20，30年推翻AA的机会变为零，而且民主党一定会不遗余力的推广至工作AA等各领域，现在已经有苗头了。我们亚裔特别是华裔，冲着一点就万万不可选民主党，否则世代受欺压，这条是deal breaker。
其他重要的还有非移带来的经济和犯罪问题，以及恐怖主义的威胁。这些都是与我们息息相关的，影响普通百姓的问题，民主党在这些方面都站在反面。我不想说服你，但你是版上左派稀有的还有些逻辑的，不是赤裸颠倒是非的。也许mm你太年轻，我年轻时也支持民主党，这很自然，也许有一天你会发现观点不知不觉就变了。
If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain.
For #1: I think Clinton is in support of a immigration reform that involves heightened boarder security and a path to citizenship , but not a blanket insurance of work permits. Correct me if I'm wrong.
For # 2: a couple things: the U.S. is a signer of the Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees, so in other words, we're obliged to consider asylum for refugees. Anyone who says we the US will categorically deny refugees is just wistful. About the funding, we spent 1.7 trillion on war in Iraq, compared to an estimated 1.6 billion spending on bringing additional 10k refugees. Yeah so we'd definitely have the money if we are not that war hawkish. That's one of the reasons that I'm not going to vote for Clinton because her war records.
感觉support那里面大方向比较多， 具体怎么实施呢？ 我看过希拉里的辩论， 印象中执行方案不多。
我比较关心的2个热门是
第一是非法移民法案， 5百万非法移民 ，希拉里是要支持给工作许可。 这对其他等H1B的人意味着什么？ 就这点我觉得是最难接受的， 论坛大部分人都经历过找工作难， H1B难于上青天，而仅仅因为是非法移民就可以获得大赦，凭什么？
第二是叙利亚难民，现在奥马巴接受7万， 希拉里公开表示等我上台我一年接受10万， American needs to do more than that , 原话。
难民的身份 背景调查， 潜在恐怖分子， 什么算？ 怎么background check？
来了以后安置的funding 从哪里来？ 谁买单？安置在哪些城市？对每个州的impact是什么？ federal出多少钱？ 每个州出多少钱？
琪琪玩彩妆 发表于 6/25/2016 10:31:00 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=72026758&postid=72026758#72026758]
For #1: I think Clinton is in support of a immigration reform that involves heightened boarder security and a path to citizenship , but not a blanket insurance of work permits. Correct me if I'm wrong.
For # 2: a couple things: the U.S. is a signer of the Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees, so in other words, we're obliged to consider asylum for refugees. Anyone who says we the US will categorically deny refugees is just wistful. About the funding, we spent 1.7 trillion on war in Iraq, compared to an estimated 1.6 billion spending on bringing additional 10k refugees. Yeah so we'd definitely have the money if we are not that war hawkish. That's one of the reasons that I'm not going to vote for Clinton because her war records.
不飞花 发表于 6/26/2016 12:17:03 AM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2031879&postid=72027374#72027374]
For # 2: a couple things: the U.S. is a signer of the Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees, so in other words, we're obliged to consider asylum for refugees. Anyone who says we the US will categorically deny refugees is just wistful. About the funding, we spent 1.7 trillion on war in Iraq, compared to an estimated 1.6 billion spending on bringing additional 10k refugees. Yeah so we'd definitely have the money if we are not that war hawkish. That's one of the reasons that I'm not going to vote for Clinton because her war records.
不飞花 发表于 6/26/2016 12:17:03 AM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2031879&postid=72027374#72027374]
第一点难道 不是高院最后没成功的法案么？ 就是这五百万非法移民的permit问题啊， 希拉里tweeter泪奔说要面对五百万family的deportation。
第二点， 美国不可能放弃1.7 trillion on war in Iraq， 每年战争花费是不会被减去的， 谁大选都吼这个， 吼完谁都没干啥正经事， only made it worse，奥黑在位的时候这个数字也没有减， 所以并不指望谁上台就能改变这一点。
为什么要在中东打仗？ 美国必须保证石油期货的结算是用美金。 这是一切命脉的关键。
所以支持难民的1.6 billion 最终会从中产身上搜刮出来。 再者这么多已经发生的恐怖主义事件好多都是拿着难民的文件在叙利亚和欧洲自由穿梭的渗透者，美国的background check 完全就是一个笑话， 之前有个前DHS官员爆料说奥巴马曾经下令删除过watch list里面的mls什么的， 感觉等他下台后， 预感还会有更多黑料要浮出水面。
奥巴马站出来说99.9%的mls都不是激进分子， 但是看调查， 63%的mls都觉得honor killing 是可以接受的， 也就是他们回家因为怀疑老婆劈腿了要还自己honor ，砍了老婆，在他们看来是合理的。还支持截肢什么的惩罚超过50%好像。 这都不算激进，我不知道该说什么了。希拉里说 不支持torture，好吧， 那穆斯林干的这些，或者说在信仰上支持干的这些事情， 她都默许么？她不是要争取gay 和妇女权益么？ 在mls这里， 这2者的权益如何选择？ 就是因为没办法从根本上，信仰上调和这两者的矛盾， 那么希拉里在同时为这3种群体争取权益， 逗我么？
第二点， 美国不可能放弃1.7 trillion on war in Iraq， 每年战争花费是不会被减去的， 谁大选都吼这个， 吼完谁都没干啥正经事， only made it worse，奥黑在位的时候这个数字也没有减， 所以并不指望谁上台就能改变这一点。
为什么要在中东打仗？ 美国必须保证石油期货的结算是用美金。 这是一切命脉的关键。
所以支持难民的1.6 billion 最终会从中产身上搜刮出来。 再者这么多已经发生的恐怖主义事件好多都是拿着难民的文件在叙利亚和欧洲自由穿梭的渗透者，美国的background check 完全就是一个笑话， 之前有个前DHS官员爆料说奥巴马曾经下令删除过watch list里面的mls什么的， 感觉等他下台后， 预感还会有更多黑料要浮出水面。
奥巴马站出来说99.9%的mls都不是激进分子， 但是看调查， 63%的mls都觉得honor killing 是可以接受的， 也就是他们回家因为怀疑老婆劈腿了要还自己honor ，砍了老婆，在他们看来是合理的。还支持截肢什么的惩罚超过50%好像。 这都不算激进，我不知道该说什么了。希拉里说 不支持torture，好吧， 那穆斯林干的这些，或者说在信仰上支持干的这些事情， 她都默许么？她不是要争取gay 和妇女权益么？ 在mls这里， 这2者的权益如何选择？ 就是因为没办法从根本上，信仰上调和这两者的矛盾， 那么希拉里在同时为这3种群体争取权益， 逗我么？
看到希拉里那张老巫婆似的邪恶的脸，就想到一句话：上帝要让人灭亡就先使他疯狂。
灵 发表于 6/25/2016 9:14:09 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2031879&postid=72026284#72026284]
灵 发表于 6/25/2016 9:14:09 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2031879&postid=72026284#72026284]
哈哈
回复 [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2031879&postid=72026652#72026652]22楼不飞花的帖子[/url]
Well said.
I would add one more important point for why I will vote for Clinton. She will substantially increase taxes for the rich, while Donald will do quite the opposite. Under Clinton's plan, individually earring over 5 million will pay a tax surcharge, while Donald will have individual earning more than150,000 pay the same income tax rate as himself.
Well said.
I would add one more important point for why I will vote for Clinton. She will substantially increase taxes for the rich, while Donald will do quite the opposite. Under Clinton's plan, individually earring over 5 million will pay a tax surcharge, while Donald will have individual earning more than150,000 pay the same income tax rate as himself.
回复 [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2031879&postid=72026652#72026652]22楼不飞花的帖子[/url]
Well said.
I would add one more important point I will vote for Clinton. She will substantially increase taxes for the rich, while Donald will do quite the opposite. Under Clinton's plan, individually earring over 5 million will pay a tax surcharge, while Donald will have individually earning more than150,000 pay the same income tax as himself.
lifessogood 发表于 6/26/2016 12:50:50 AM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2031879&postid=72027562#72027562]
Well said.
I would add one more important point I will vote for Clinton. She will substantially increase taxes for the rich, while Donald will do quite the opposite. Under Clinton's plan, individually earring over 5 million will pay a tax surcharge, while Donald will have individually earning more than150,000 pay the same income tax as himself.
lifessogood 发表于 6/26/2016 12:50:50 AM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2031879&postid=72027562#72027562]
any document to support your claim？ would love to see some convincing evidence, not just hearsay.
any document to support your claim？ would love to see some convincing evidence, not just hearsay.
琪琪玩彩妆 发表于 6/26/2016 12:59:09 AM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2031879&postid=72027616#72027616]
琪琪玩彩妆 发表于 6/26/2016 12:59:09 AM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2031879&postid=72027616#72027616]
It is all in their tax proposals.
taxfoundation.org/comparing-2016-presidential-tax-reform-proposals
To me, Donald Trump's proposals are utterly irresponsible.
taxfoundation.org/comparing-2016-presidential-tax-reform-proposals
To me, Donald Trump's proposals are utterly irresponsible.
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减税就不responsible, 加税就responsible？tax的影响不只是税率，还有纳税基数， 减税率促进经济发展，纳税基数会变大，这是supply side economics的基本概念，也是80年代经济复苏奠定九十年代经济腾飞的重要基础。没见过一个国家不靠经济发展自身，而靠不停加税越过越好的。
再说，富人老老实实交税就不是富人了。奥巴当年也闹着富人加税，结果呢？还不是中产一直在被剪羊毛？
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