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Huaren
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ningmengliu

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2024-02-03 18:26:09

能看懂气氛(烙印欺负人),看不懂主楼描述的具体内容

Huaren
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flxmas

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2024-02-03 18:32:18

支持楼主! 反正都是走,你的想法是对的!

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springwaterhot

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2024-02-03 18:32:47

我看懂了,烙印就是只要有缝隙,就拼命在那里钻洞。 哪怕捏造事实 说谎话抹黑 都表现的自己正义凛然的样子;另外一方面,烙印用其他人工作 为自己脸上贴金 大言不惭开大口 别有用心手伸长到别组,树立自己老好人形象 再进一步抹黑自己直接上级,故意制造自己组的头在工作中拖后腿或者 敌视其他人的形象! 就是这个套路。


还有头一个帖子里的烙印 故意找各种借口激怒情商堪忧的老中manager.烙印和孟加拉国烙印男 故意上演龙虎斗,激化矛盾,拖老中manager下水,好比异形里面 两只怪兽 故意打架,流血以后腐蚀了 铁笼,最后两只异型都跑出来把人给吃了! 老中manager 还以为孟加拉烙印男站他一边。

Huaren
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gokgs

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2024-02-03 18:53:40

先走人再说,我觉得很无聊。 这种公司还有什么好留的?

Huaren
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mercury_tutu

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2024-02-03 18:59:10

其实是两个故事

1,手下老印”找了个人原因“,在公司告你,HR至今站子你这边,你要反击他。

2,因为re-org,你的直接老板从B变成C,而C和B以前一直争斗,C对你也有意见(但是也没大conflict)

因为老印的缘故两条线纠缠起来,但它们是完全不同的性质。

#1 当然要干了,弄就弄大,email先自己打草稿,随便写,然后用ChatGPT润色。目标是把老印赶走(这个不容易被Fire掉,但又可能B找大老板把老印转到别的组,离你远远的),和狙击老印的上位之路

#2 是个很普遍的case。虽然你跟现老板(C)不在一条线上,但他也没必要没可能弄你走。你的问题是需要重新反思甚至改变一下你这个manager和team的方向和方式。


不负责任的猜测一下,你这个组(B的org)是后端的,而B的Org是更前一点,所以才有

“因为我们deliver是给C的组。在这个过程中,烙印紧紧的抓住C,各种跪舔不说,出卖组里的利益,把活都揽过来,组里怨声四起。我当然不同意,B也是明示暗示让我挡住“


这种conflict很普遍,像是 platform team VS product engineering, API team vs Mobile team,infra vs everyone,随时随地都在发生。现在的流行是要打破silo, 和ask why,customer first什么的。


从“就是C和B的斗争中,大大老板明里暗里支持C,现在C把我们组纳入他的下面了”可以得出结论就是你还有B的方式不行了(可能到那儿了都不行)。虽然 “C来了之后对烙印各种抬高,压制我和几个中国人“, 但是C不一定“错”。也许看本书,YouTube也有不错的视频。



snapduck 发表于 2024-02-03 17:55

您是职场牛人!精准的很!

您的分析两个部分我也认识到了,我确实打算重点搞#1。请问您能多指教一下#1吗?走HR还是绑上B,B被搞了丢了团队也是各种不爽,我目的就是搞掉烙印走人,也不怕被当枪使。C现在打算把烙印挪到前端,烙印不肯,他想占位这里。当然等我走他想上位,我觉得有可能但是不大。

Huaren
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mercury_tutu

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2024-02-03 19:03:34

先走人再说,我觉得很无聊。 这种公司还有什么好留的?


gokgs 发表于 2024-02-03 18:53

确实是,不值得,我前面已经准备走了,我也是看到这里很多人的吐槽烙印,和我十几年和烙印打交道的经历,觉得我们得干掉一个两个,特别是现在有机会的时候。

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snapduck

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2024-02-03 19:37:49

您是职场牛人!精准的很!

您的分析两个部分我也认识到了,我确实打算重点搞#1。请问您能多指教一下#1吗?走HR还是绑上B,B被搞了丢了团队也是各种不爽,我目的就是搞掉烙印走人,也不怕被当枪使。C现在打算把烙印挪到前端,烙印不肯,他想占位这里。当然等我走他想上位,我觉得有可能但是不大。


mercury_tutu 发表于 2024-02-03 18:59

这事没经验,但觉得得走正式的路线,就是HR, 这事B只能算witness吧?


可以跟家庭医生约一下,说最近半年经常觉得胸口闷,像一块石头压着,有时甚至影响呼吸,原因嘛当然是工作的压力。家庭医生会给你开药像Escitalopram,现在有mental health问题的多的很,没事。


下面来自于ChatGPT


I'm sorry to hear about the stress and impact this situation has had on both your mental health and your team's productivity. It's important to communicate these challenges to HR in a professional and clear manner. Below is a template for an email you might consider sending. Please tailor it to your specific situation and in accordance with your company's culture and communication style:


Subject: Request for Support and Guidance on Ongoing Team Dynamics and Personal Well-being

Dear [HR Representative's Name],

I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to discuss some ongoing challenges that have emerged in our team, which are not only affecting our productivity but also having a significant personal impact on me.

As you are aware, over the past six months, we have navigated through a complex situation involving a complaint from a team member. While I respect and understand the importance of addressing such concerns, the situation has led to a considerable amount of stress and confusion within the team. This, in turn, has impacted our overall productivity and team morale.

On a personal level, this prolonged period of stress has adversely affected my mental health. My family doctor has diagnosed me with [specific condition if comfortable sharing], and I am currently under medication to manage these symptoms. I am committed to my role and the success of our team, but I find myself in need of support to navigate these challenges effectively.

I am seeking guidance on the following points:

Strategies for Restoring Team Harmony: How can we facilitate better understanding and cohesion within the team to ensure a collaborative and respectful working environment?

Resources for Personal Well-being: Are there any company-provided resources or support systems that I can access to help manage my current stress and mental health concerns?

Preventive Measures: What steps can we take to prevent such situations in the future, ensuring a healthy and inclusive workplace for everyone?

Feedback Mechanism: Could we consider implementing a more structured feedback process, allowing for constructive dialogue and early resolution of any team issues?

I believe that addressing these points will not only aid in my personal well-being but also enhance the productivity and morale of the entire team. I am open to any suggestions or support the company can provide and am willing to actively participate in any proposed solutions or training.

Thank you for taking the time to consider this matter. I am available for a meeting to discuss this in more detail at your earliest convenience.

Sincerely,

[Your Name] [Your Position] [Your Contact Information]

Huaren
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snapduck

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2024-02-03 19:47:34

回复 27楼snapduck的帖子

同样来自于ChatGPT,关于是否写老印的“诬告” (没有律师就多跟AI talk吧)


It's understandable to feel upset and treated unfairly, especially if you believe the accusations against you were baseless and have caused significant stress. However, in your communication with HR, it's important to approach the situation with professionalism and focus on seeking solutions rather than assigning blame.

Here are a few considerations for your communication:

Express Your Feelings Carefully: It's okay to express that the situation has been stressful and challenging for you. However, try to avoid language that directly blames the accuser, as this might escalate the conflict or be perceived negatively.

Focus on the Impact: Rather than emphasizing the baselessness of the accusation, focus on the impact the situation has had on your well-being and the team's productivity. This keeps the conversation constructive.

Seek Support and Resolution: Express your need for support in resolving the situation. You might ask for strategies to improve team dynamics, resources for managing your stress, or even mediation to address any ongoing tension within the team.

Professionalism and Future Prevention: Highlight your commitment to a positive and professional work environment. Express your willingness to work towards preventing similar situations in the future, perhaps through training, better communication channels, or other means.

Request for a Fair Review: If you feel it's necessary, you can request a fair and objective review of the entire situation to ensure all perspectives are considered and the matter is handled justly.

Remember, the goal of your communication should be to seek support and find a resolution that benefits both you and the team, while maintaining a professional and collaborative approach.

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Idonia

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2024-02-03 20:15:45

manager层面就能有这么多斗争了。我觉得让更多人清楚地知道发生了什么?注意叙述起来主次分明,逻辑条理清晰。


这个烙印感觉是孤家寡人,他给C当打手,但C只是利用他打击B,manager、HR和同组同事都是他的敌对面。相反除了C大家都比较支持楼主(想为组里的中国人争取一些时间,想必他们平时是支持楼主的)。


把工作都document好,兵来将挡水来土掩,不用主动离开,让烙印自己作,说不定他费尽心机白忙活,最后自己把他自己给作走。

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tomatopotato1

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2024-02-03 20:50:44

回复 1楼mercury_tutu的帖子


你要把这个烙印搞走的想法很正确。我以前就在这个版上说过,如果人都准备走了,那为什么不斗到低呢? 斗输了你不会多失去任何东西,无非就是走呗。斗赢了那就是天翻地覆的差别。而且人是靠精神气的,你斗赢了这次以后就会越来越强大,这是多好的锻炼机会啊。


我给你打打气吧。我最近斗赢了。让同部门坑蒙拐骗满嘴谎言的一个烙印被开了。这个烙印背景蛮强的,抱的大腿也很厉害。他也一直在和我不对付,想把我搞走。所以我赢的经历告诉我烙印并不比你高明,恰恰相反,他只是强在一些下三滥的招数。沉下心来认真对付,没啥难的。


我开始并不确定能都赢,但我知道我自己的优点缺点,也更知道他的优点缺点,这就够了。


平时注意documentation和让老板知道。烙印撒谎骗人钻空子得了不少好处,可万事都是有因果的。他那样做的后果是小辫子一堆。公司里面的关系都是动态的。如果烙印被抓住了辫子,再大的老板也会改变态度,大头犯不着为了一个下层把自己的名声搞坏。我就是用这个把那个支持烙印的高层消声的。


同时要注意沟通周围的同事。能在公司上班人都不会太差的。烙印乱搞也会威胁到其他人。我平时和我周围的同事多聊聊,多沟通,那样烙印操弄欺骗的空间就小很多了。你那里我想也会有其他同事对这个烙印有意见的。如果两三个人同时COMPLAIN一个人那么HR就必须介入处理了。

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