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佛州公投结果出来了

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2024-11-07 13:04:29

smartshanshan 发表于 2024-11-07 12:54

革命尚未成功,同志仍需努力。我争取再投10次总统,希望其中有一次能把这个加入佛罗里达amendment。请佛罗里达有投票权的支持堕胎权。


10次,40年,赞勇气。

佛州拉丁裔越来越多,这个与宗教民族有关系,如果不提高教育,女性自己不为自己争取权力和地位,估计真得等40年。


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2024-11-07 15:35:28

star1991 发表于 2024-11-07 13:42

FL真的好保守,是宗教原因吗?是不是宣传工作没做好?我们AZ的Pro 超60%成功通过。


拉丁裔爱生小孩又能生而且女的呆家里很普遍。又是天主教。

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2024-11-07 15:42:14

2022年去佛州海边小镇Destin玩,好多当地人家门口都竖着trump的大旗,我一时间恍惚,拜登都上台两年了,这些人还不死心吗,果不其然,2024年卷土重来。
qqlxl 发表于 2024-11-07 14:10

是的全州都是红的,只有首都塔拉哈西和奥兰多(他们跟州长不对付)以及Palm Beach(川普居住的地方)

既使蓝县没多少插总统牌的,插反堕胎牌的不少,尤其是教会外。微信群,中国人反堕胎修宪的都不少,也是信教的。

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2024-11-08 00:20:28

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并不是一定要修宪,只不过修了宪再想逆转又要修宪更难改。联邦层面立法也可以。联邦法要参众议院通过,人民算是被代表了。

佛州的6周心跳法就是州法,不是宪法。

只不过佛州定60%,其它州只要50%,不太清楚各州修宪要求。

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2024-11-08 10:27:36

查了一下,佛州这次可能是最好的一次机会,以后更难,可能公投的机会都没有。

In Florida, filing an amendment to adjust state laws or the constitution on issues like abortion is possible, but it comes with a rigorous process due to specific petition and voting requirements. Here’s an overview of the steps and challenges:

1. Drafting and Approval Process

  • Drafting: Proponents need to draft the amendment language carefully. Florida’s Supreme Court reviews proposed amendment language to ensure it adheres to the "single-subject rule" (limiting the amendment to one main issue) and is clear and unambiguous. Any ambiguity could lead the court to reject the amendment.
  • Attorney General Review: The amendment must then be reviewed by Florida’s Attorney General, who can raise concerns before the Supreme Court review.

2. Gathering Signatures

  • Signature Requirement: To get an amendment on the ballot, petitioners must collect signatures from registered voters equaling at least 8% of the votes cast in the last presidential election. For the 2024 ballot, this translates to over 891,000 signatures.
  • Geographic Distribution: The signatures must also come from at least half of Florida’s congressional districts (14 out of 28 districts), ensuring statewide support.

3. Ballot Placement and Campaigning

  • Verification: Each signature must be verified, which can be time-consuming and costly.
  • Campaigning: Even if the amendment qualifies for the ballot, proponents face the hurdle of Florida’s 60% supermajority requirement for passage. This requires significant campaigning and funding to secure broad support, often costing millions of dollars.

4. Potential Opposition

  • Opposition Campaigns: Well-funded opposition groups may challenge the amendment through public campaigns or legal challenges, adding another layer of difficulty.

This multi-step process makes it challenging to file and pass amendments in Florida, particularly on divisive issues like abortion, where broad consensus is hard to achieve.

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2024-11-08 16:21:59

purplebasil 发表于 2024-11-08 14:27

不是欲擒故纵, 而是故意让它悬而不决 -- O8 拥有两院的时候压根没提这事, 怎么解释?

不要跟我说非要有绝对多数才能通过, 历史上跨党合作的例子不胜枚举, 不然怎么宪法有那么多个 amendments?

这次的7州胜利, 你就说高兴不高兴吧?


真没必要网上言辞太激烈。讲事实摆道理挺好。奥巴那时候高院没推翻法案,他手上一堆事。罗诉韦德案例本身应该是民主党推成的。民主党很多东西烂,但没必要什么东西都阴谋论。Pro life pro choice 争了几十年了。

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