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原腾飞：英法联军为什么要烧圆明园？
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2018-11-04 20:29:28
来看看当时有良知的美国人是怎么看你眼里的拳匪和义和团哒。
Address at a meeting of the Berkeley Lyceum, New York, 1900
I don’t suppose that I am called here as an expert on education, for that would show a lack of foresight on your part and a deliberate intention to remind me of my shortcomings.
As I sat here looking around for an idea it struck me that I was called for two reasons. One was to do good to me, a poor unfortunate traveler on the world’s wide ocean, by giving me a knowledge of the nature and scope of your society and letting me know that others beside myself have been of some use in the world. The other reason that I can see is that you have called me to show by way of contrast what education can accomplish if administered in the right sort of doses.
Your worthy president said that the school pictures, which have received the admiration of the world at the Paris Exposition, have been sent to Russia, and this was a compliment from that Government – which is very surprising to me. Why, it is only an hour since I read a cablegram in the newspapers beginning “Russia Proposes to Retrench.” I was not expecting such a thunderbolt, and I thought what a happy thing it will be for Russians when the retrenchment will bring home the thirty thousand Russian troops now in Manchuria, to live in peaceful pursuits. I thought this was what Germany should do also without delay, and that France and all the other nations in China should follow suit.
Why should not China be free from the foreigners, who are only making trouble on her soil? If they would only all go home, what a pleasant place China would be for the Chinese! We do not allow Chinamen to come here, and I say in all seriousness that it would be a graceful thing to let China decide who shall go there.
China never wanted foreigners any more than foreigners wanted Chinamen, and on this question I am with the Boxers every time. The Boxer is a patriot. He loves his country better than he does the countries of other people. I wish him success. The Boxer believes in driving us out of his country. I am a Boxer too, for I believe in driving him out of our country.
When I read the Russian despatch further my dream of world peace vanished. It said that the vast expense of maintaining the army had made it necessary to retrench, and so the Government had decided that to support the army it would be necessary to withdraw the appropriation from the public schools. This is a monstrous idea to us. We believe that out of the public school grows the greatness of a nation.
It is curious to reflect how history repeats itself the world over. Why, I remember the same thing was done when I was a boy on the Mississippi River. There was a proposition in a township there to discontinue public schools because they were too expensive. An old farmer spoke up and said if they stopped the schools they would not save anything, because every time a school was closed a jail had to be built.
It’s like feeding a dog on his own tail. He’ll never get fat. I believe it is better to support schools than jails.
The work of your association is better and shows more wisdom than the Czar of Russia and all his people. This is not much of a compliment, but it’s the best I’ve got in stock.
-Mark Twain
Mintcafe 发表于 11/4/2018 8:25:46 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2354398&postid=78973853#78973853]
一个人的声音能代表世界主流声音？历史盲要多学习历史知识，实在找不到好的方法维基百科看看维基百科吧，你不会以为维基百科和你们的百度百科是一路货色吧？
主流声音是神马，愿闻其详, 另外所谓主流就能代表正确？逻辑该回炉打造了，或者有问题的是这种崇拜权威的心理。。。LOL
Mintcafe 发表于 11/4/2018 9:01:34 PM [url=http://rd2.huaren4us.com/huaren.php?hrtopic_id=2354398&hrurl=%2fshowtopic.aspx%3ftopicid%3d2354398%26amp%3bpostid%3d78974208%2378974208][img][/img][/url]
自己输入“义和团”搜维基百科啊，历史盲你高中历史不及格么？
文明世界的主流声音总比你专制国家的愚民历史客观吧？你专制国家的近代史那叫宣传不叫历史
不然怎么会有反日游行变成U型锁杂自己同胞的蠢事发生？日本人都笑死了，你们这些不就是当地义和团么？最后还要被朝廷剿灭，U型锁砸同胞的不一样被政府给判了么？
都2018年了中国怎么还有像你这样愚昧的国民啊？你配做中国人么？你拉低了整个中华民族的智商你知道么？
来吧看看北京顶尖重点高中北京四中（国家领导子女上的学校）老师给你讲的义和团的历史课吧，北京四中这种级别的高中像你们这种奴才是一辈子都进不去的
[url=https://youtu.be/jGv8-I7ATJw]https://youtu.be/jGv8-I7ATJw[/url]
我帮你抓下来吧，你要是看的懂英文就自己看看，如果你认为维基百科就是权威。。。LOL
The Boxer Rebellion (拳亂), Boxer Uprising, or Yihetuan Movement (義和團運動) was an anti-foreign, [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-colonial]anti-colonial[/url], and [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Christian_movement]anti-Christian[/url] uprising that took place in [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China]China[/url] between 1899 and 1901, toward the end of the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qing_dynasty]Qing dynasty[/url]. They were motivated by proto-[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_nationalism]nationalist[/url] sentiments and by opposition to [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world]Western[/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonialism]colonialism[/url] and the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_missions_in_China]Christian missionary activity[/url] that was associated with it.
Mintcafe 发表于 11/4/2018 9:10:11 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2354398&postid=78974306#78974306]
文明世界的主流声音总比你专制国家的愚民历史客观吧？你专制国家的近代史那叫宣传不叫历史
不然怎么会有反日游行变成U型锁杂自己同胞的蠢事发生？日本人都笑死了，你们这些不就是当地义和团么？最后还要被朝廷剿灭，U型锁砸同胞的不一样被政府给判了么？
都2018年了中国怎么还有像你这样愚昧的国民啊？你配做中国人么？你拉低了整个中华民族的智商你知道么？
来吧看看北京顶尖重点高中北京四中（国家领导子女上的学校）老师给你讲的义和团的历史课吧，北京四中这种级别的高中像你们这种奴才是一辈子都进不去的
[url=https://youtu.be/jGv8-I7ATJw]https://youtu.be/jGv8-I7ATJw[/url]
从行文语气观点和发帖反复粘帖的习惯来看，这位大概是那个大清药丸的马甲？专门为喷而喷的id，他真有认真辩论过嘛，话说华人上这种人最近好多啊，或者就是几个人一大堆马甲，这类人可能也挺可怜的，有任何一点有意义的事情做，都不可能混在女性论坛上专门做喷子了，还乐此不倦上了。
Mintcafe 发表于 11/4/2018 10:06:36 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2354398&postid=78974900#78974900]
自己历史盲还有脸说别人？先学学历史吧 拿着你专制国家的给历史在自由世界丢什么人？
SubDivision2006 发表于 11/4/2018 10:01:22 PM [url=http://rd2.huaren4us.com/huaren.php?hrtopic_id=2354398&hrurl=%2fshowtopic.aspx%3ftopicid%3d2354398%26amp%3bpostid%3d78974851%2378974851][img][/img][/url]
对于你们这种游走在自由世界拿着专制国家粉饰过的历史丢人显眼的人不应该批判么？你自己不觉得丢人么？这是美国论坛，你专制国家那一套在这没用只能自取其辱
嗯，卢沟桥事变也是为了找丢失的士兵
trayanh 发表于 11/4/2018 10:43:12 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2354398&postid=78975245#78975245]
一码归一码，说义和团扯卢沟桥干嘛？两个事情你拿来比较体现了你逻辑的混乱
谢谢，众多的海外历史学家和名人对义和团的正面评价也可以在这里找到，虽然你大概看不懂LOL
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion[/url]
Mintcafe 发表于 11/4/2018 10:49:37 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2354398&postid=78975317#78975317]
杠精你发的链接里有几个正面评价？大多对义和团不都是负面评价么，杠精你到底懂不懂英文？
From the beginning, views differed as to whether the Boxers were better seen as anti-imperialist, patriotic, and proto-nationalist or as "uncivilized", irrational, and futile opponents of inevitable change. The historian Joseph Esherick comments that "confusion about the Boxer Uprising is not simply a matter of popular misconceptions", for "there is no major incident in China's modern history on which the range of professional interpretation is as great".[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-FOOTNOTEEsherick1987xiv-134][134][/url]
Chinese liberals such as [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_Shih]Hu Shi[/url] often condemned the Boxers for their irrationality and barbarity.[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-135][135][/url] Dr. [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Yat-sen]Sun Yat-sen[/url], the founding father of the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China_(1912%E2%80%931949)]Republic of China[/url] and of the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuomintang]Nationalist[/url]Party at first believed that the Boxer Movement was stirred up by the Qing government's rumors, which "caused confusion among the populace", and delivered "scathing criticism" of the Boxers' "anti-foreignism and obscurantism". Sun praised the Boxers for their "spirit of resistance" but called them "bandits". Students shared an ambivalent attitude to the Boxers, stating that while the uprising originated from the "ignorant and stubborn people of the interior areas", their beliefs were "brave and righteous", and could "be transformed into a moving force for independence".[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-Han_20,_21-136][136][/url] After the fall of the Qing dynasty in 1911, nationalist Chinese became more sympathetic to the Boxers. In 1918 Sun praised their fighting spirit and said the Boxers were courageous and fearless, fighting to the death against the Alliance armies, specifically the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yangcun]Battle of Yangcun[/url].[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-137][137][/url]The leader of the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Culture_Movement]New Culture Movement[/url], [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_Duxiu]Chen Duxiu[/url], forgave the "barbarism of the Boxer... given the crime foreigners committed in China", and contended that it was those "subservient to the foreigners" that truly "deserved our resentment".[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-138][138][/url]
[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chinese_soldiers_1899_1901.jpg]Left: two infantrymen of the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Army]New Imperial Army[/url]. Front: drum major of the regular army. Seated on the trunk: field artilleryman. Right: Boxers.
In other countries, views of the Boxers were complex and contentious. [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Twain]Mark Twain[/url] said that "the Boxer is a patriot. He loves his country better than he does the countries of other people. I wish him success".[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-139][139][/url] The Russian writer [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Tolstoy]Leo Tolstoy[/url] also praised the Boxers. He accused Nicholas II of Russia and Wilhelm II of Germany of being chiefly responsible for the lootings, rapes, murders and the "Christian brutality" of the Russians and other western troops.[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-140][140][/url] The Russian revolutionary [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin]Vladimir Lenin[/url] mocked the Russian government's claim that it was protecting [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_civilization]Christian civilization[/url]: "Poor Imperial Government! So Christianly unselfish, and yet so unjustly maligned! Several years ago it unselfishly seized Port Arthur, and now it is unselfishly seizing Manchuria; it has unselfishly flooded the frontier provinces of China with hordes of contractors, engineers, and officers, who, by their conduct, have roused to indignation even the Chinese, known for their docility."[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-141][141][/url]The Indian Bengali Hindu [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabindranath_Tagore]Rabindranath Tagore[/url] attacked the European colonialists.[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-Bickers2007-142][142][/url] A number of Indian soldiers in the British Indian Army agreed that the Boxers were right and the British stole from the Temple of Heaven a bell, which was given back to China by the Indian military in 1994.[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-143][143][/url]
Even some American churchmen spoke out in support of the Boxers. The evangelist Rev. Dr. [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_F._Pentecost]George F. Pentecost[/url]said that the Boxer uprising was a "patriotic movement to expel the 'foreign devils' — just that — the foreign devils". Suppose, he said, the great nations of Europe were to “put their fleets together, came over here, seize Portland, move on down to Boston, then New York, then Philadelphia, and so on down the Atlantic Coast and around the Gulf of Galveston? Suppose they took possession of these port cities, drove our people into the hinterland, built great warehouses and factories, brought in a body of dissolute agents, and calmly notified our people that henceforward they would manage the commerce of the country? Would we not have a Boxer movement to drive those foreign European Christian devils out of our country?[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-144][144][/url]
[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Boxer1900.jpg]The Russian newspaper Amurskii Kraicriticized the killing of innocent civilians, charging that "restraint" "civilization" and "culture" instead of "racial hatred" and "destruction" would have been more becoming of a "civilized Christian nation". The paper asked "What shall we tell civilized people? We shall have to say to them: 'Do not consider us as brothers anymore. We are mean and terrible people; we have killed those who hid at our place, who sought our protection'".[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-LensenCh%CA%BBen1982-145][145][/url]
The events also left a longer impact. The historian Robert Bickers found that for the British in China the Boxer rising served as the "equivalent of the Indian 'mutiny'" and came to represent the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril]Yellow Peril[/url]. Later events, he adds, such as the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Expedition]Chinese Nationalist Revolution[/url] of the 1920s and even the activities of the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Guards_(China)]Red Guards[/url] of the 1960s, were perceived as being in the shadow of the Boxers.[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-146][146][/url]
In [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan]Taiwan[/url] and [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong]Hong Kong[/url], history textbooks often present the Boxer as irrational. But in the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_China]People's Republic of China[/url], government textbooks described the Boxer movement as an anti-imperialist, patriotic peasant movement whose failure was due to the lack of leadership from the modern working class, and described the international army as an invading force. In recent decades, however, large-scale projects of village interviews and explorations of archival sources have led historians in China to take a more nuanced view. Some non-Chinese scholars, such as Joseph Esherick, have seen the movement as anti-imperialist; while others hold that the concept "nationalistic" is anachronistic because the Chinese nation had not been formed and the Boxers were more concerned with regional issues. Paul Cohen's recent study includes a survey of "the Boxers as myth", showing how their memory was used in changing ways in 20th-century China from the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Culture_Movement]New Culture Movement[/url] to the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution]Cultural Revolution[/url].[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-147][147][/url]
In recent years the Boxer question has been debated in the People's Republic of China. In 1998, the critical scholar Wang Yi argued that the Boxers had features in common with the extremism of the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution]Cultural Revolution[/url]. Both events had the external goal of "liquidating all harmful pests" and the domestic goal of "eliminating bad elements of all descriptions" and this relation was rooted in "cultural obscurantism". Wang explained to his readers the changes in attitudes towards the Boxers from the condemnation of the May Fourth Movement to the approval expressed by [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong]Mao Zedong[/url] during the Cultural Revolution.[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-148][148][/url] In 2006 [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuan_Weishi]Yuan Weishi[/url], a professor of philosophy at [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhongshan_University]Zhongshan University[/url] in Guangzhou, wrote that the Boxers by their "criminal actions brought unspeakable suffering to the nation and its people! These are all facts that everybody knows, and it is a national shame that the Chinese people cannot forget".[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-149][149][/url] Yuan charged that history text books had been lacking in neutrality in presenting the Boxer Uprising as a "magnificent feat of patriotism", and not presenting the view that the majority of the Boxer rebels were violent.[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-150][150][/url] In response, some labeled Yuan Weishi a "traitor" ([url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanjian]Hanjian[/url]).[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-151][151][/url]
上面贴出来的粘帖复制的链接都有人名啊，读得懂英文的话就自己看看呗，我不是你的老师，不负责给你扫盲哦。
Mintcafe 发表于 11/4/2018 11:03:56 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2354398&postid=78975467#78975467]
杠精你是给自己打脸么？你的链接里大多不都是对义和团的负面评价么？你懂英文？
From the beginning, views differed as to whether the Boxers were better seen as anti-imperialist, patriotic, and proto-nationalist or as "uncivilized", irrational, and futile opponents of inevitable change. The historian Joseph Esherick comments that "confusion about the Boxer Uprising is not simply a matter of popular misconceptions", for "there is no major incident in China's modern history on which the range of professional interpretation is as great".[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-FOOTNOTEEsherick1987xiv-134][134][/url]
Chinese liberals such as [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_Shih]Hu Shi[/url] often condemned the Boxers for their irrationality and barbarity.[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-135][135][/url] Dr. [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Yat-sen]Sun Yat-sen[/url], the founding father of the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China_(1912%E2%80%931949)]Republic of China[/url] and of the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuomintang]Nationalist[/url]Party at first believed that the Boxer Movement was stirred up by the Qing government's rumors, which "caused confusion among the populace", and delivered "scathing criticism" of the Boxers' "anti-foreignism and obscurantism". Sun praised the Boxers for their "spirit of resistance" but called them "bandits". Students shared an ambivalent attitude to the Boxers, stating that while the uprising originated from the "ignorant and stubborn people of the interior areas", their beliefs were "brave and righteous", and could "be transformed into a moving force for independence".[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-Han_20,_21-136][136][/url] After the fall of the Qing dynasty in 1911, nationalist Chinese became more sympathetic to the Boxers. In 1918 Sun praised their fighting spirit and said the Boxers were courageous and fearless, fighting to the death against the Alliance armies, specifically the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yangcun]Battle of Yangcun[/url].[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-137][137][/url]The leader of the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Culture_Movement]New Culture Movement[/url], [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_Duxiu]Chen Duxiu[/url], forgave the "barbarism of the Boxer... given the crime foreigners committed in China", and contended that it was those "subservient to the foreigners" that truly "deserved our resentment".[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-138][138][/url]
[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chinese_soldiers_1899_1901.jpg]Left: two infantrymen of the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Army]New Imperial Army[/url]. Front: drum major of the regular army. Seated on the trunk: field artilleryman. Right: Boxers.
In other countries, views of the Boxers were complex and contentious. [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Twain]Mark Twain[/url] said that "the Boxer is a patriot. He loves his country better than he does the countries of other people. I wish him success".[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-139][139][/url] The Russian writer [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Tolstoy]Leo Tolstoy[/url] also praised the Boxers. He accused Nicholas II of Russia and Wilhelm II of Germany of being chiefly responsible for the lootings, rapes, murders and the "Christian brutality" of the Russians and other western troops.[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-140][140][/url] The Russian revolutionary [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin]Vladimir Lenin[/url] mocked the Russian government's claim that it was protecting [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_civilization]Christian civilization[/url]: "Poor Imperial Government! So Christianly unselfish, and yet so unjustly maligned! Several years ago it unselfishly seized Port Arthur, and now it is unselfishly seizing Manchuria; it has unselfishly flooded the frontier provinces of China with hordes of contractors, engineers, and officers, who, by their conduct, have roused to indignation even the Chinese, known for their docility."[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-141][141][/url]The Indian Bengali Hindu [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabindranath_Tagore]Rabindranath Tagore[/url] attacked the European colonialists.[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-Bickers2007-142][142][/url] A number of Indian soldiers in the British Indian Army agreed that the Boxers were right and the British stole from the Temple of Heaven a bell, which was given back to China by the Indian military in 1994.[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-143][143][/url]
Even some American churchmen spoke out in support of the Boxers. The evangelist Rev. Dr. [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_F._Pentecost]George F. Pentecost[/url]said that the Boxer uprising was a "patriotic movement to expel the 'foreign devils' — just that — the foreign devils". Suppose, he said, the great nations of Europe were to “put their fleets together, came over here, seize Portland, move on down to Boston, then New York, then Philadelphia, and so on down the Atlantic Coast and around the Gulf of Galveston? Suppose they took possession of these port cities, drove our people into the hinterland, built great warehouses and factories, brought in a body of dissolute agents, and calmly notified our people that henceforward they would manage the commerce of the country? Would we not have a Boxer movement to drive those foreign European Christian devils out of our country?[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-144][144][/url]
[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Boxer1900.jpg]The Russian newspaper Amurskii Kraicriticized the killing of innocent civilians, charging that "restraint" "civilization" and "culture" instead of "racial hatred" and "destruction" would have been more becoming of a "civilized Christian nation". The paper asked "What shall we tell civilized people? We shall have to say to them: 'Do not consider us as brothers anymore. We are mean and terrible people; we have killed those who hid at our place, who sought our protection'".[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-LensenCh%CA%BBen1982-145][145][/url]
The events also left a longer impact. The historian Robert Bickers found that for the British in China the Boxer rising served as the "equivalent of the Indian 'mutiny'" and came to represent the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril]Yellow Peril[/url]. Later events, he adds, such as the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Expedition]Chinese Nationalist Revolution[/url] of the 1920s and even the activities of the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Guards_(China)]Red Guards[/url] of the 1960s, were perceived as being in the shadow of the Boxers.[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-146][146][/url]
In [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan]Taiwan[/url] and [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong]Hong Kong[/url], history textbooks often present the Boxer as irrational. But in the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_China]People's Republic of China[/url], government textbooks described the Boxer movement as an anti-imperialist, patriotic peasant movement whose failure was due to the lack of leadership from the modern working class, and described the international army as an invading force. In recent decades, however, large-scale projects of village interviews and explorations of archival sources have led historians in China to take a more nuanced view. Some non-Chinese scholars, such as Joseph Esherick, have seen the movement as anti-imperialist; while others hold that the concept "nationalistic" is anachronistic because the Chinese nation had not been formed and the Boxers were more concerned with regional issues. Paul Cohen's recent study includes a survey of "the Boxers as myth", showing how their memory was used in changing ways in 20th-century China from the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Culture_Movement]New Culture Movement[/url] to the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution]Cultural Revolution[/url].[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-147][147][/url]
In recent years the Boxer question has been debated in the People's Republic of China. In 1998, the critical scholar Wang Yi argued that the Boxers had features in common with the extremism of the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution]Cultural Revolution[/url]. Both events had the external goal of "liquidating all harmful pests" and the domestic goal of "eliminating bad elements of all descriptions" and this relation was rooted in "cultural obscurantism". Wang explained to his readers the changes in attitudes towards the Boxers from the condemnation of the May Fourth Movement to the approval expressed by [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong]Mao Zedong[/url] during the Cultural Revolution.[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-148][148][/url] In 2006 [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuan_Weishi]Yuan Weishi[/url], a professor of philosophy at [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhongshan_University]Zhongshan University[/url] in Guangzhou, wrote that the Boxers by their "criminal actions brought unspeakable suffering to the nation and its people! These are all facts that everybody knows, and it is a national shame that the Chinese people cannot forget".[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-149][149][/url] Yuan charged that history text books had been lacking in neutrality in presenting the Boxer Uprising as a "magnificent feat of patriotism", and not presenting the view that the majority of the Boxer rebels were violent.[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-150][150][/url] In response, some labeled Yuan Weishi a "traitor" ([url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanjian]Hanjian[/url]).[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-151][151][/url]
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林正平 发表于 11/4/2018 11:07:02 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2354398&postid=78975508#78975508]
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Mintcafe 发表于 11/4/2018 11:01:49 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2354398&postid=78975442#78975442]
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