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MAGA川粉是怎么练出来的 - 1 核心问题
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2024-09-02 20:59:20
我跟你差不多，不过我只在2008选了O8M。 你说了很多， 但是最关键的不是同性恋，非法移民之类，O8M时候也没有现在这么多非法移民。O8M最坏的是把司法部改变成左派政府的打手， 'wingman‘， 和政治正确。这两阴招动摇了2个美国的社会支柱，司法独立和言论自由。如果这次川普又输了，那美国衰退也就没有什么可抱怨的， 毕竟是美国人自己选的。就算川普嬴，想扭转局势也非常困难。
可以把这个展开说一下吗？
“O8M最坏的是把司法部改变成左派政府的打手”
反川普和川普党，主要是因为他们品行太low，喜欢宣传没有根据的虚假信息，歧视有色人种，歧视弱势群体，歧视妇女，言行不一致。
GOP和DEM的一些理念我是一直都支持的，属于Socially liberal, fiscally conservative 一派。
我觉得你列得好多条都是没有实际数字支持的，都是听说/想当然的个人观感。
1. LGBTQIA+ 这一大段就包含了很多不实信息，fact check 一万遍，你们就是坚决继续传播虚假信息，令人生厌。这个群体的人也是受宪法保护的，他们也享有同等的权利。
2. 移民问题，两党都有责任维护边境安全和秩序，而川普党把功劳苦劳都揽过来，把锅甩给民主党，卖相太难看！整天重复在川粉聚集的社交媒体上搬来的的同样的几句话。
其实，自己上ICE就能查到现任的政府是否真的坐视不理？也可以对比一下奥巴马，川普和拜登政府历年的遣返非移人数。奥巴马政府遣返的人数是历任政府之最！拜登政府还有几个月，目前的数量也快接近川普的遣返数量了。那照川普党的说法，是否也要批判一下川普政府的无能/欢迎非移，以示公平？
川粉不余遗力的散播虚假信息，言语上攻击民主党支持者，实在让旁人侧目，不甚厌烦。
https://www.ice.gov/features/2023-year-review
歧视我没遇到过，但是我儿子经常遇见，我还特别喜欢非法移民，给我们家除草的、换房顶的，韩国烤肉的小工、洗车的等等，人家勤劳肯干，价格便宜，大大降低了我的开销支出。
在美国20年，和不少来自拉美墨西哥的小工打过交道，他们几乎都憨厚勤劳，害羞也热情，和他们说几句话，他们是很高兴的。一次搬家，找了一家刷墙的公司，巴铁工头带来的几位拉美小工都很认真工作，我买来pizza和他们一起午餐，其中一个看上去有30左右都男人说他是从洪都拉斯偷渡来美国的，家里有老婆孩子的，差不多10年没回家了，在美国赚钱寄回去，特别想念家人。我当时就想到了清末被卖猪仔的华工，7-80年代贫困潦倒偷渡来美的华人，90年代的下岗大军，他们背井离乡，生活艰辛，但是依然努力工作，寄钱回家，他们也为美国创造了价值。真不认为这些为了改变命运的底层人士，是来美国享受福利的，我觉得他们想要创造美好的生活。他们大都干着又累又脏的活，我们离不开他们，川普这类富豪们更离不开这些人。
这些非法移民最多在等政治庇护时有些人道主义的救助而已吧。我不太了解，但是我不认为年轻人千辛万苦过来是为了躺平。
那些把老人搬来享福利的人倒也有听说，但是各种申请表格，也只有有些文化的子女才有能力帮忙申请吧。
大多数华人认同共和党大多数政策，但川普（2009年前是民主党）不是传统意义的共和党，特别是不愿和平转移政权（在60多个诉讼失败后），这是民主制度的基石。另外他根本没有治国能力，看看与他近距离的人的评价：
1. His vice president, Mike Pence: “The American people deserve to know that President Trump asked me to put him over my oath to the Constitution. … Anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be president of the United States.”
2. His second attorney general, Bill Barr: “Someone who engaged in that kind of bullying about a process that is fundamental to our system and to our self-government shouldn’t be anywhere near the Oval Office.”
3. His first secretary of defense, James Mattis: “Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people – does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us.”
4. His second secretary of defense, Mark Esper: “I think he’s unfit for office. … He puts himself before country. His actions are all about him and not about the country. And then, of course, I believe he has integrity and character issues as well.”
5. His chairman of the joint chiefs, retired Gen. Mark Milley, seemed to invoke Trump: “We don’t take an oath to a wannabe dictator. We take an oath to the Constitution and we take an oath to the idea that is America – and we’re willing to die to protect it.”
6. His first secretary of state, Rex Tillerson: “(Trump’s) understanding of global events, his understanding of global history, his understanding of US history was really limited. It’s really hard to have a conversation with someone who doesn’t even understand the concept for why we’re talking about this.”
7. His first ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley: “He used to be good on foreign policy and now he has started to walk it back and get weak in the knees when it comes to Ukraine. A terrible thing happened on January 6 and he called it a beautiful day.”
8. His presidential transition vice-chairman, Chris Christie: “Someone who I would argue now is just out for himself.”
9. His second national security adviser, HR McMaster: “We saw the absence of leadership, really anti-leadership, and what that can do to our country.”
10. His third national security adviser, John Bolton: “I believe (foreign leaders) think he is a laughing fool.”
11. His second chief of staff, John Kelly: “A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law. There is nothing more that can be said. God help us.”
12. His former acting chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, who resigned as US special envoy to Ireland after January 6, 2021: “I quit because I think he failed at being the president when we needed him to be that.”
还有很多，不提他的无底线道德了
建议把这作为标准化答案回复川粉的帖子！
我们找工作都会去Glassdoor看看别人对公司/雇主的reviews。看到这样的reviews，正常人应该都会敬而远之。
你自己真能相信 ”狐狸台看多了就信了，自然后被洗脑了“？？？
我看的媒体大多是偏左的，包括这个坛子。90%的媒体都被左派控制，狐狸台的老板也是左派。学校和政府都是左派，还倒打一耙。
都不用看FOX台和其它平台，我就看他的演讲，访谈，不经加工的一手资料，相信自己的眼睛和耳朵，自己的判断能力。
当然，每个人的底线和道德标准是不一样的，所以有不同的解读。
说实在的，我最不喜欢强制疫苗这个，强制 和 专制 独裁 没有什么区别了。哪个党支持强制的， 我不投她。。
联邦政府是有要求联邦雇员和人数超过100人的公司、医疗机构，如果要员工回来上班，就需要提高免费疫苗。初衷是为了保护需要在密集地方工作的民众，建立雇员回去安全上班的信心，尽快恢复社会秩序。联邦政府并没有强制全民疫苗，也没有强制学龄儿童注射疫苗。在自己和大众健康的选择上是有自由全力的。Tucker当时在X上散布各种谣言现在都还影响着很多人。
On September 9, 2021, the Biden-Harris administration announced34 a COVID-19 Action Plan requiring sweeping vaccine mandates for federal workers and contractors, employers with one-hundred or more employees, and healthcare settings that receive Medicare or Medicaid reimbursement (including nursing homes).
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