原腾飞：英法联军为什么要烧圆明园？

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2018-11-04 21:39:30

文明世界的主流声音总比你专制国家的愚民历史客观吧？你专制国家的近代史那叫宣传不叫历史
不然怎么会有反日游行变成U型锁杂自己同胞的蠢事发生？日本人都笑死了，你们这些不就是当地义和团么？最后还要被朝廷剿灭，U型锁砸同胞的不一样被政府给判了么？

都2018年了中国怎么还有像你这样愚昧的国民啊？你配做中国人么？你拉低了整个中华民族的智商你知道么？
来吧看看北京顶尖重点高中北京四中（国家领导子女上的学校）老师给你讲的义和团的历史课吧，北京四中这种级别的高中像你们这种奴才是一辈子都进不去的

[url=https://youtu.be/jGv8-I7ATJw]https://youtube.com/v/jGv8-I7ATJw[/url]

Williamviktor 发表于 11/4/2018 9:13:42 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2354398&postid=78974345#78974345]

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口口声声的文明世界，到别的国家烧杀抢掠，最后归结为是因为你们国家的愚昧。这真是个好理由。就像杀光了印第安人，占了他们的土地，那是活该一样。文明世界，真是一个弱肉强食的典范。有些奴才为这样的文明叫好，希望能从叫好里多得一点狗粮，也是可以理解的。不过，文明人还是把你当狗，不会把你当作人来看待。

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2018-11-04 21:48:22

回复 [url=http://rd2.huaren4us.com/huaren.php?hrtopic_id=2354398&hrurl=%2fshowtopic.aspx%3ftopicid%3d2354398%26amp%3bpostid%3d78974306%2378974306][img][/img][/url]49楼Mintcafe的帖子[/url]
自己英文水平不行就看看中文版的维基百科吧！丢什么人
[url=https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/zh-cn/义和团运动]https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/zh-cn/义和团运动[/url]
你什么时候瞎的？那么多负面评价不看就看几个正面评价？正面评价的都是些什么人自己心里没点儿比数？

Williamviktor 发表于 11/4/2018 9:20:27 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2354398&postid=78974421#78974421]

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我英文还可以啊，一般是看英文版本的，你好象是看不太懂嘛，怎么只会看中文版的？维基百科这种谁都可以改写的民间百科，因为立场不同，每个文字的版面其实都不太一样，正经拿这个当权威还是蛮可笑的，这个你大概也不懂吧LOL
From the beginning, views differed as to whether the Boxers were better seen as anti-imperialist, patriotic, and proto-nationalist or as "uncivilized", irrational, and futile opponents of inevitable change. The historian Joseph Esherick comments that "confusion about the Boxer Uprising is not simply a matter of popular misconceptions", for "there is no major incident in China's modern history on which the range of professional interpretation is as great"

Chinese liberals such as [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_Shih]Hu Shi[/url] often condemned the Boxers for their irrationality and barbarity.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-135][135][/url] Dr. [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Yat-sen]Sun Yat-sen[/url], the founding father of the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China_(1912%E2%80%931949)]Republic of China[/url] and of the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuomintang]Nationalist[/url] Party at first believed that the Boxer Movement was stirred up by the Qing government's rumors, which "caused confusion among the populace", and delivered "scathing criticism" of the Boxers' "anti-foreignism and obscurantism". Sun praised the Boxers for their "spirit of resistance" but called them "bandits". Students shared an ambivalent attitude to the Boxers, stating that while the uprising originated from the "ignorant and stubborn people of the interior areas", their beliefs were "brave and righteous", and could "be transformed into a moving force for independence".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-Han_20,_21-136][136][/url] After the fall of the Qing dynasty in 1911, nationalist Chinese became more sympathetic to the Boxers. In 1918 Sun praised their fighting spirit and said the Boxers were courageous and fearless, fighting to the death against the Alliance armies, specifically the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yangcun]Battle of Yangcun[/url].[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-137][137][/url]The leader of the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Culture_Movement]New Culture Movement[/url], [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_Duxiu]Chen Duxiu[/url], forgave the "barbarism of the Boxer... given the crime foreigners committed in China", and contended that it was those "subservient to the foreigners" that truly "deserved our resentment".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-138][138][/url]

In other countries, views of the Boxers were complex and contentious. [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Twain]Mark Twain[/url] said that "the Boxer is a patriot. He loves his country better than he does the countries of other people. I wish him success".[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-139][139][/url] The Russian writer [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Tolstoy]Leo Tolstoy[/url] also praised the Boxers. He accused Nicholas II of Russia and Wilhelm II of Germany of being chiefly responsible for the lootings, rapes, murders and the "Christian brutality" of the Russians and other western troops.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-140][140][/url] The Russian revolutionary [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin]Vladimir Lenin[/url] mocked the Russian government's claim that it was protecting [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_civilization]Christian civilization[/url]: "Poor Imperial Government! So Christianly unselfish, and yet so unjustly maligned! Several years ago it unselfishly seized Port Arthur, and now it is unselfishly seizing Manchuria; it has unselfishly flooded the frontier provinces of China with hordes of contractors, engineers, and officers, who, by their conduct, have roused to indignation even the Chinese, known for their docility."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-141][141][/url] The Indian Bengali Hindu [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabindranath_Tagore]Rabindranath Tagore[/url]attacked the European colonialists.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-Bickers2007-142][142][/url] A number of Indian soldiers in the British Indian Army agreed that the Boxers were right and the British stole from the Temple of Heaven a bell, which was given back to China by the Indian military in 1994.

Even some American churchmen spoke out in support of the Boxers. The evangelist Rev. Dr. [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_F._Pentecost]George F. Pentecost[/url] said that the Boxer uprising was a "patriotic movement to expel the 'foreign devils' — just that — the foreign devils". Suppose, he said, the great nations of Europe were to “put their fleets together, came over here, seize Portland, move on down to Boston, then New York, then Philadelphia, and so on down the Atlantic Coast and around the Gulf of Galveston? Suppose they took possession of these port cities, drove our people into the hinterland, built great warehouses and factories, brought in a body of dissolute agents, and calmly notified our people that henceforward they would manage the commerce of the country? Would we not have a Boxer movement to drive those foreign European Christian devils out of our country?

The Russian newspaper Amurskii Krai criticized the killing of innocent civilians, charging that "restraint" "civilization" and "culture" instead of "racial hatred" and "destruction" would have been more becoming of a "civilized Christian nation". The paper asked "What shall we tell civilized people? We shall have to say to them: 'Do not consider us as brothers anymore. We are mean and terrible people; we have killed those who hid at our place, who sought our protection'"

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2018-11-04 22:01:22

讲真，你是不是有文革后遗症，参加过梁效学习班儿什么的？白天黑夜，不眠不休，封一个马甲换一个立刻上，整日地跟人辩论，“炮轰” 批判？

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2018-11-04 22:06:36

讲真，你是不是有文革后遗症，参加过梁效学习班儿什么的？白天黑夜，不眠不休，封一个马甲换一个立刻上，整日地跟人辩论，“炮轰” 批判？

SubDivision2006 发表于 11/4/2018 10:01:22 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2354398&postid=78974851#78974851]

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从行文语气观点和发帖反复粘帖的习惯来看，这位大概是那个大清药丸的马甲？专门为喷而喷的id，他真有认真辩论过嘛，话说华人上这种人最近好多啊，或者就是几个人一大堆马甲，这类人可能也挺可怜的，有任何一点有意义的事情做，都不可能混在女性论坛上专门做喷子了，还乐此不倦上了。

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2018-11-04 22:09:29

从行文语气观点和发帖反复粘帖的习惯来看，这位大概是那个大清药丸的马甲？专门为喷而喷的id，他真有认真辩论过嘛，话说华人上这种人最近好多啊，或者就是几个人一大堆马甲，这类人可能也挺可怜的，有任何一点有意义的事情做，都不可能混在女性论坛上专门做喷子了，还乐此不倦上了。

Mintcafe 发表于 11/4/2018 10:06:36 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2354398&postid=78974900#78974900]

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自己历史盲还有脸说别人？先学学历史吧拿着你专制国家的给历史在自由世界丢什么人？

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2018-11-04 22:09:30

就是他啊。他得统共封了几十个马甲了。而且总是一副亢奋的状态。躲着点儿吧。拼体力拼不起。

从行文语气观点和发帖反复粘帖的习惯来看，这位大概是那个大清药丸的马甲？专门为喷而喷的id，他真有认真辩论过嘛，话说华人上这种人最近好多啊，或者就是几个人一大堆马甲，这类人可能也挺可怜的，有任何一点有意义的事情做，都不可能混在女性论坛上专门做喷子了，还乐此不倦上了。 Mintcafe 发表于 11/4/2018 22:06:00 [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=78974900&postid=78974900#78974900]

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2018-11-04 22:11:56

讲真，你是不是有文革后遗症，参加过梁效学习班儿什么的？白天黑夜，不眠不休，封一个马甲换一个立刻上，整日地跟人辩论，“炮轰” 批判？

SubDivision2006 发表于 11/4/2018 10:01:22 PM [url=http://rd2.huaren4us.com/huaren.php?hrtopic_id=2354398&hrurl=%2fshowtopic.aspx%3ftopicid%3d2354398%26amp%3bpostid%3d78974851%2378974851][img][/img][/url]

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对于你们这种游走在自由世界拿着专制国家粉饰过的历史丢人显眼的人不应该批判么？你自己不觉得丢人么？这是美国论坛，你专制国家那一套在这没用只能自取其辱

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2018-11-04 22:12:52

回复 [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2354398&postid=78974911#78974911]58楼Williamviktor的帖子[/url] 你看得懂英文嘛？

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2018-11-04 22:23:14

就是他啊。他得统共封了几十个马甲了。而且总是一副亢奋的状态。躲着点儿吧。拼体力拼不起。

SubDivision2006 发表于 11/4/2018 10:09:30 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2354398&postid=78974929#78974929]

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几十个马甲。。。神马一种执着啊。。。亢奋的辩论也罢，亢奋的复制粘帖确实拼不起，多谢mm提醒。

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2018-11-04 22:25:32

感谢楼上贴出的英文信。袁腾飞这么说是有其政治目的还是只是个人偏见？
ccchhh 发表于 11/4/2018 7:45:52 AM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2354398&postid=78968878#78968878]

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哗众取宠吧