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2018-11-04 23:07:02


上面贴出来的粘帖复制的链接都有人名啊,读得懂英文的话就自己看看呗,我不是你的老师,不负责给你扫盲哦。

Mintcafe 发表于 11/4/2018 11:03:56 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2354398&postid=78975467#78975467]

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杠精你是给自己打脸么?你的链接里大多不都是对义和团的负面评价么?你懂英文?

From the beginning, views differed as to whether the Boxers were better seen as anti-imperialist, patriotic, and proto-nationalist or as "uncivilized", irrational, and futile opponents of inevitable change. The historian Joseph Esherick comments that "confusion about the Boxer Uprising is not simply a matter of popular misconceptions", for "there is no major incident in China's modern history on which the range of professional interpretation is as great".[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-FOOTNOTEEsherick1987xiv-134][134][/url]

Chinese liberals such as [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_Shih]Hu Shi[/url] often condemned the Boxers for their irrationality and barbarity.[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-135][135][/url] Dr. [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Yat-sen]Sun Yat-sen[/url], the founding father of the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China_(1912%E2%80%931949)]Republic of China[/url] and of the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuomintang]Nationalist[/url]Party at first believed that the Boxer Movement was stirred up by the Qing government's rumors, which "caused confusion among the populace", and delivered "scathing criticism" of the Boxers' "anti-foreignism and obscurantism". Sun praised the Boxers for their "spirit of resistance" but called them "bandits". Students shared an ambivalent attitude to the Boxers, stating that while the uprising originated from the "ignorant and stubborn people of the interior areas", their beliefs were "brave and righteous", and could "be transformed into a moving force for independence".[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-Han_20,_21-136][136][/url] After the fall of the Qing dynasty in 1911, nationalist Chinese became more sympathetic to the Boxers. In 1918 Sun praised their fighting spirit and said the Boxers were courageous and fearless, fighting to the death against the Alliance armies, specifically the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yangcun]Battle of Yangcun[/url].[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-137][137][/url]The leader of the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Culture_Movement]New Culture Movement[/url], [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_Duxiu]Chen Duxiu[/url], forgave the "barbarism of the Boxer... given the crime foreigners committed in China", and contended that it was those "subservient to the foreigners" that truly "deserved our resentment".[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-138][138][/url]

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Qing forces of Chinese soldiers in 1899–1901.
Left: two infantrymen of the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Army]New Imperial Army[/url]. Front: drum major of the regular army. Seated on the trunk: field artilleryman. Right: Boxers.



In other countries, views of the Boxers were complex and contentious. [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Twain]Mark Twain[/url] said that "the Boxer is a patriot. He loves his country better than he does the countries of other people. I wish him success".[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-139][139][/url] The Russian writer [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Tolstoy]Leo Tolstoy[/url] also praised the Boxers. He accused Nicholas II of Russia and Wilhelm II of Germany of being chiefly responsible for the lootings, rapes, murders and the "Christian brutality" of the Russians and other western troops.[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-140][140][/url] The Russian revolutionary [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin]Vladimir Lenin[/url] mocked the Russian government's claim that it was protecting [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_civilization]Christian civilization[/url]: "Poor Imperial Government! So Christianly unselfish, and yet so unjustly maligned! Several years ago it unselfishly seized Port Arthur, and now it is unselfishly seizing Manchuria; it has unselfishly flooded the frontier provinces of China with hordes of contractors, engineers, and officers, who, by their conduct, have roused to indignation even the Chinese, known for their docility."[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-141][141][/url]The Indian Bengali Hindu [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabindranath_Tagore]Rabindranath Tagore[/url] attacked the European colonialists.[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-Bickers2007-142][142][/url] A number of Indian soldiers in the British Indian Army agreed that the Boxers were right and the British stole from the Temple of Heaven a bell, which was given back to China by the Indian military in 1994.[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-143][143][/url]

Even some American churchmen spoke out in support of the Boxers. The evangelist Rev. Dr. [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_F._Pentecost]George F. Pentecost[/url]said that the Boxer uprising was a "patriotic movement to expel the 'foreign devils' — just that — the foreign devils". Suppose, he said, the great nations of Europe were to “put their fleets together, came over here, seize Portland, move on down to Boston, then New York, then Philadelphia, and so on down the Atlantic Coast and around the Gulf of Galveston? Suppose they took possession of these port cities, drove our people into the hinterland, built great warehouses and factories, brought in a body of dissolute agents, and calmly notified our people that henceforward they would manage the commerce of the country? Would we not have a Boxer movement to drive those foreign European Christian devils out of our country?[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-144][144][/url]

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A Boxer during the revolt


The Russian newspaper Amurskii Kraicriticized the killing of innocent civilians, charging that "restraint" "civilization" and "culture" instead of "racial hatred" and "destruction" would have been more becoming of a "civilized Christian nation". The paper asked "What shall we tell civilized people? We shall have to say to them: 'Do not consider us as brothers anymore. We are mean and terrible people; we have killed those who hid at our place, who sought our protection'".[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-LensenCh%CA%BBen1982-145][145][/url]

The events also left a longer impact. The historian Robert Bickers found that for the British in China the Boxer rising served as the "equivalent of the Indian 'mutiny'" and came to represent the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril]Yellow Peril[/url]. Later events, he adds, such as the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Expedition]Chinese Nationalist Revolution[/url] of the 1920s and even the activities of the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Guards_(China)]Red Guards[/url] of the 1960s, were perceived as being in the shadow of the Boxers.[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-146][146][/url]

In [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan]Taiwan[/url] and [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong]Hong Kong[/url], history textbooks often present the Boxer as irrational. But in the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_China]People's Republic of China[/url], government textbooks described the Boxer movement as an anti-imperialist, patriotic peasant movement whose failure was due to the lack of leadership from the modern working class, and described the international army as an invading force. In recent decades, however, large-scale projects of village interviews and explorations of archival sources have led historians in China to take a more nuanced view. Some non-Chinese scholars, such as Joseph Esherick, have seen the movement as anti-imperialist; while others hold that the concept "nationalistic" is anachronistic because the Chinese nation had not been formed and the Boxers were more concerned with regional issues. Paul Cohen's recent study includes a survey of "the Boxers as myth", showing how their memory was used in changing ways in 20th-century China from the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Culture_Movement]New Culture Movement[/url] to the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution]Cultural Revolution[/url].[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-147][147][/url]

In recent years the Boxer question has been debated in the People's Republic of China. In 1998, the critical scholar Wang Yi argued that the Boxers had features in common with the extremism of the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution]Cultural Revolution[/url]. Both events had the external goal of "liquidating all harmful pests" and the domestic goal of "eliminating bad elements of all descriptions" and this relation was rooted in "cultural obscurantism". Wang explained to his readers the changes in attitudes towards the Boxers from the condemnation of the May Fourth Movement to the approval expressed by [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong]Mao Zedong[/url] during the Cultural Revolution.[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-148][148][/url] In 2006 [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuan_Weishi]Yuan Weishi[/url], a professor of philosophy at [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhongshan_University]Zhongshan University[/url] in Guangzhou, wrote that the Boxers by their "criminal actions brought unspeakable suffering to the nation and its people! These are all facts that everybody knows, and it is a national shame that the Chinese people cannot forget".[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-149][149][/url] Yuan charged that history text books had been lacking in neutrality in presenting the Boxer Uprising as a "magnificent feat of patriotism", and not presenting the view that the majority of the Boxer rebels were violent.[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-150][150][/url] In response, some labeled Yuan Weishi a "traitor" ([url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanjian]Hanjian[/url]).[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion#cite_note-151][151][/url]

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2018-11-04 23:07:02


祝你全家被圆明园


Mintcafe 发表于 11/4/2018 11:01:49 PM


行啊我家圆明园你家被义和团,我家不过丢了金银珠宝身外财,你家全家大人小孩被扒皮挑筋挖眼割舌火烧活埋,你,你妈,你全家女性还得被义和团轮奸割阴户临走给你妈大黑下体插个草标留记号,不过你是很爽很愿意哒!瞧你的小刘海缕得多傲娇啊!

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2018-11-04 23:08:41


行啊我家圆明园你家被义和团,我家不过丢了金银珠宝身外财,你家全家大人小孩被扒皮挑筋挖眼割舌火烧活埋,你,你妈,你全家女性还得被义和团轮奸割阴户临走给你妈大黑下体插个草标留记号,不过你是很爽很愿意哒!瞧你的小刘海缕得多傲娇啊!

林正平 发表于 11/4/2018 11:07:02 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2354398&postid=78975508#78975508]

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哈哈哈要不怎么说粉红的智商是硬伤呢,像它这样的杠精除了丢人显眼也干不了什么别的事儿了
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2018-11-04 23:11:09


一码归一码,说义和团扯卢沟桥干嘛?两个事情你拿来比较体现了你逻辑的混乱



Williamviktor 发表于 11/4/2018 10:52:10 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2354398&postid=78975337#78975337]

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都是外来侵略者,难道还有高低贵贱分别?
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2018-11-04 23:11:24


义和团杀人不是因为认为洋人吃小孩那么简单,义和团其实就是本土百姓对于外来殖民主义者一再忍耐后爆发的反抗。中国百姓其实是天下最能忍耐的民族了,中国也一直是对宗教极度宽容的国家,连他们都忍不下了,当时的情况可想而知啊。。。美军有上千个军人在中国的领土和中国人作战,这就和军纪良好的皇军在中国一样,军纪再好也洗不白,最多就是五十步笑百步了。另外你确定他们没参加嘛? 那怎么解释美国国内那段时间的巨量中国文物?他们的统帅Chaffee确实有禁止过烧杀抢,但是根本没用,我读过几个当时美国人自己的记载,他们可全都是整车整车的抢,整船整船的运,每天笑歪了嘴啊。。。


Mintcafe 发表于 11/4/2018 8:53:32 PM [url=http://rd2.huaren4us.com/huaren.php?hrtopic_id=2354398&hrurl=%2fshowtopic.aspx%3ftopicid%3d2354398%26amp%3bpostid%3d78974127%2378974127][img][/img][/url]

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得了吧。你一排脑袋就是中国人民被欺负忍无可忍才义和团的,全是你自己脑补。你证据呢?历史上记载的各个教案,义和团的各个口号,这些都是有记录的。当时底层中国人就是这么愚昧。义和团的主要原因就是所谓的洋人吃小孩,还有觉得天灾是因为基督是邪教引起的天谴。义和团杀中国教众就是觉得他们信教了会惹怒老天爷。

还有所谓美国人整车抢的, 后来都证明根本没那回事。美国的确是有个叫Herbert G. Squiers的外交官带了大量的中国艺术品回美国,被美国记者狂轰滥炸攻击他是抢的东西。但后来调查发现第一很多艺术品是他自己多年通过李鸿章的师爷收集的,第二他也没有参与抢劫。你如果说当时北京那么混乱,他从各个抢劫的义和团员还有其他国家的流氓手里买了很多艺术品,那的确很可能。当时到处都是卖抢来的货物的市场。说是他自己抢的,毫无证据。

美国还有个叫Stephen Dwyer的海军士兵,的确强奸中国妇女还杀了人。但他立马被美军关了起来,判了终身监禁。你大嘴一张说美军统帅的命令没有用就真没用了?

正视历史对你就这么难?
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2018-11-04 23:13:02


祝你全家被圆明园
Mintcafe 发表于 11/4/2018 11:01:49 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2354398&postid=78975442#78975442]

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杠精的智商感人啊圆明园最多丢失财宝,你被义和团可是要被砍头的!这就是你历史知识缺乏的体现啊
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2018-11-04 23:15:00


都是外来侵略者,难道还有高低贵贱分别?


trayanh 发表于 11/4/2018 11:11:09 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2354398&postid=78975559#78975559]

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自己去维基百科学习义和团的历史再来BB!人家为什么要打你心里没点儿比数?义和团是自己作死被打和日军侵华是一个性质?历史盲真搞笑
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2018-11-04 23:19:31



得了吧。所谓美国人整车抢的, 后来都证明根本没那回事。美国的确是有个外交官带了大量的中国艺术品回美国,被美国记者狂轰滥炸攻击他是抢的东西。但后来调查发现第一这是他自己多年通过中国朋友收集的,第二他也没有参与抢劫。你如果说当时北京那么混乱,他从各个抢劫的义和团员还有其他国家的流氓手里买了很多艺术品,那的确可能。说是他自己抢的,毫无证据。
美国还有个叫Stephen Dwyer的海军士兵,的确强奸中国妇女还杀了人。但他立马被美国关了起来,判了终身监禁。
relay 发表于 11/4/2018 11:11:24 PM


爱玛咖啡智商被当众扒皮她岂不是比死还难受?

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2018-11-04 23:19:33


嗯嗯,刚把他们封啦,
Mintcafe 发表于 11/4/2018 11:05:40 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2354398&postid=78975487#78975487]

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封了你就以为你历史盲的本质在自由世界不丢人了么?
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2018-11-04 23:21:44


封了你就以为你历史盲的本质在自由世界不丢人了么?
Williamviktor 发表于 11/4/2018 11:19:33 PM


咖啡应当把所有人都封了就留和她一唱一和的,这样她看完整个楼内心瞬间涌起一股学贯中西傲视天下大家的傲娇之感!

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