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Huaren
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自由意志 vs Gods Plan?

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2021-02-13 06:35:45

经常读到“发生什么是神在你生命中的计划”


但是如果一个人在生活中有重大损失,并显然自己有很大的责任,那么是自由意志还是Gods Plan?


比如,一个人酒驾,撞到一棵树,失去一条腿。明明是他自己做了错误的行为,但又怎么理解 God has a plan for everything?


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2021-02-13 08:14:52

问这样的问题很有福!自由意志是上帝赋予每个人的,上帝计划是上帝知道的,本来信仰就是自由意志和上帝计划的共同结果,比如约伯记中的约伯。所以,信有时间,对个人来说,有自己的追寻,还有上帝的计划。人生苦短,难道真的只是对酒当歌?
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一笑生花

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2021-02-13 11:19:12

自由意志也不可能高于神的旨意和计划,自由意志也是在神的掌权之下的,神的计划,不光包括(对人而言)好的事情,是包括所有的事情。

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duffy17

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2021-02-13 18:09:03

还是没懂.... 所以是 God 让他酒驾?

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基督之光

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2021-02-13 18:54:41

你喝酒是自由意志。撞到樹后是擦破皮還是撞折腿則是God plan

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2021-02-13 22:20:39

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自由意志是神的计划的一部分,没有任何事情是神的计划之外的,包括自由意志。

God’s plan includes everything.

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PiuPIU2020

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2021-02-16 00:27:36

经常读到“发生什么是神在你生命中的计划”


但是如果一个人在生活中有重大损失,并显然自己有很大的责任,那么是自由意志还是Gods Plan?


比如,一个人酒驾,撞到一棵树,失去一条腿。明明是他自己做了错误的行为,但又怎么理解 God has a plan for everything?



wun 发表于 2021-02-13 06:35

James 1:13-15, ESV

13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one

14 But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. 

15 Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death.


我的理解是,酒驾不是God''s work, 而是这个人用自己的自由意志,接受了撒旦的诱惑, 撒旦的种子撒到他们的心里了,when tempted by Satan, not God, this person is being drawn away of his own lust. 这个世界,现有的世代, 上帝的仆人在做工撒好种子,撒旦的仆人也在做工撒杂草种子,种子都是无形的,做用于人的心里。


Remember Job. Though Satan has to get God''s permission before he could touch Job (Job 1:10-12), God eventually blessed Job to have more then Job ever had (Job 42:12). So God turned the curse Satan executed on Job into a blessing through God''s own hands. God''s blessing to Job in the end, is God''s truth on His rewards and punishment system, cause despite all Satan had done to Job, Job remained righteous. God''s plan is always to reward the righteous (not in this world, but in the world to come after the Judgement), for example, as pictured in Psalm 1.


Matthew 13:18-30, 36-43 ESV, The Parable of the Sower, and The Parable of the Weeds, 两个都有说:

" ...., the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart (Matthew 13:19)",

".....The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field, but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat and went away. (Matthew 13:24-25)....He said to them, ''An enemy has done this.'' ....(Matthew 13:28)"

"The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, and the enemy who sowed them is the devil."(Matthew 13:38,39)


其实新约,旧约里,不同的寓言比喻,可以互相证明的, 就跟上面Matthew 里“撒种的比喻”,和“杂草的比喻”一样 。因为 God''s truth shown to us in the Old and the New Testament can''t have any variation, or different versions of interpretation, or being changed at any time.


Numbers 23:19 ESV:

God is not men, that he should lie,

or a son of man, that he should change his mind.

Has he said, and will he not do it?

Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?


James 1:17-18, ESV:

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change. Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of first fruits of his creatures.


John 8:23 ESV:

He said to them, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.


好的东西,来自上帝的,是“from above”; 来自enemy, 来自Satan the adversary 的, 是“from below”。


自由意志当这样用:

James 4:7-8 ESV: Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you.



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2021-02-16 14:22:52

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我是一个纯粹的圣经爱好者,经过了这里。

有人酒驾失去了一条腿,有人少那个,多了这个;

那时候,以色列的神万军之主耶和华,就是耶稣,将耶路撒冷交在尼布甲尼撒手中,

不知道被杀了多少人,又有多少人被掳去。

以色列人因为违背与他神的约,就被他们的神万军之主耶和华,就是耶稣,用刀剑,饥荒瘟疫

追赶他们,使他们在天下万国中抛来抛去,在他所赶他们到的各国中,令人咒诅 惊骇 嗤笑 羞辱。

耶稣如此行,如同人管教自己的儿子一样,为要叫他们能够悔改,回到他面前,那样安舒的日子,得以来到。

耶稣的计划是建立一个永远的国,信他的人不至于灭亡,反得永生。

人那日所失去的,这日没有不能得补偿的。

血肉之体总要归于朽坏的,惟有那 耶稣所赐的灵性的身体才能永不朽坏。

若有这永不朽坏灵性的身体作为补偿,谁还会在意那发生在这将要归于朽坏的血肉之体上的事呢?

悔改转向耶稣,努力寻求存在天上盼望才是硬道理。

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keaidedabaicai

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2021-03-06 13:12:43

神的自由意志和人的自由意志是不一样的。

神的自由意志 = 神的计划 > 人的自由意志

所以如果从神的视角来看,人是没有自由意志的。

从人的视角来看,人有自由意志。

在我看,只能这么解释。

我的个人理解啊,不一定对。

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2021-04-19 12:34:48

神的计划: 圣子耶稣降世为人, 宣讲天国的福音, 告诉人得拯救的办法, 最后死在十字架上, 偿还人类罪的代价

人的自由意志: 如果接受主耶稣做生命的救主, 就得永生,末日必复活。。

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